Another post about Isatis Cooling - Long term dosage

Hi everyone,

For Isatis Cooling users : I'd like to know how you use it on the long term? The recommended dosage is 3pills/ 3x day. Do you stick with this dosage forever? Or is it more like an induction drug and taper when you get better?

Health Concerns just started to ship in Canada too so I want to give it a serious try. At the recommended dosage it's going to cost me 100$/month.

I'm currently taking Stelara, but I have a decrease of efficiency since my third dose. My hope is that Isatis Cooling might help inducing remission (just like Pred would do but without the nasty side effects) and I could use Stelara as a maintenance drug.

Thanks everyone !!!

Isatis Cooling is outrageously expensive considering one bottle lasts only 10 days at the recommended dosage. Qing Dai is the active ingredient in Isatis Cooling and is a lot cheaper to take on it's own. A bottle of it lasts about a month @ 3g per day. I take Isatis Cooling out of convenience and only take it when I don't feel like mixing powder and want to get some extra benefits from the herbs they use in their formula.

I haven't tapered qingdai, I take it on days when I don't even feel I need it. It's a hydroxyl radical scavenger, meaning it doesn't interact with any drugs or build up in the system. The longer I take it the more my symptoms improve, and that's that.

There is no cure for this disease, so the number one mistake people make is stopping medication/supplements when they feel they get better. Qingdai is here to stay for me.

Believe it or not, you are preaching to the choir.

Maybe I was hasty in my response to make you think otherwise, but I have nothing against using formulas. The issue at hand for me, as for most people, when it comes to adopting alternative treatments is 1) proof, 2) cost, and 3) convenience. If those 3 don't line up there's a small chance a treatment will catch on.

1) Proof - If there's not enough proof that it will target a specific medical condition people have a hard time taking it seriously, and more often than not people will violently oppose it's propagation. This is why alternatives will always take the back seat to prescriptions because no one is dumping billions into a plant that grows like a weed. Sad but true. Qing Dai has been studied in clinical settings specifically for UC, the others have not so much. So people "in theory" should take it more seriously and consider starting with that.

2) Cost - If it's too costly it it won't catch on. Isatis Cooling is the most popular formula on the market, yet it costs around $75 a month at the recommended dosage. Qingdai costs 1/3 of that. A formula from a TCM practicioner is a shot in the dark. There's no way to know how much it'll cost or how effective it'll be or whether they'll even recommend qingdai (some TCM doctors aren't very knowledgeable in UC, some are).

3) Convenience - If it's too inconvenient people won't even try it let alone consider it. Making an alternative too complicated from the getgo will turn a lot of people off. Indeed, a formula could be 100x more powerful, but there's no way to know how much they're getting, what brand to buy, what herbalist to talk to. If you can point to a single herb they can buy online from a number of sources, that simplifies things a lot.

I've been on qingdai for 6 months. I forgot to mention that upon starting I discussed it with a TCM practitioner over the phone and he basically said the same thing about the studies being based in Western medicine. Yes, it has been around for thousands of years in TCM, so has tiger penis, but people don't care how long somethings been around, they only care if there is scientific evidence that it will help treat their UC.

I should also mention I used to be a student of TCM, I'm well aware of it's potency. I'm also well aware just how "foo-foo" it seems to a lot of people. There's a big divide between people who believe in it and think it's total BS. It's a different philosophy that is hard for westerners to wrap their head around, so many don't even try and dismiss anything associated with TCM. This is why I think it's important to point out the clinical studies of qingdai so that "westerners" will take it more seriously.

The world of herbs is a vast and perplexing one. How many people do you see talking about qingdai in this forum? Not many .... and a few years from now I suspect it still won't gain much steam (I hope I'm wrong). I think the best hope for advancing it is showing them concrete evidence of what works specifically for UC to remove any shred of doubt and refer them to the most inexpensive and simplistic product they can get so they stop brushing it off. After that, if they are so inclined to keep going, advise them on additional herbs to maximize it's potency 10 or 100 fold. Just get them on what western science has proven to work first.

yea! really glad chinese herbs works for you too therearmiracles!

Isatis Cooling works very well for me! I used it the first time between two Stelara injections, before my dosage got double, and the result was impressive!
Now, I don't feel I need it, except two weeks ago. I was invited at family diner, and I got red meat, chips and diet pepsi (I don't remember when I got any of those!). Anyway, even on Stelara, that was really really bad choices. Anyway, I took 2 pills 2x a day for a few days, and everything came back to normal. wouhou!

I really like chinese herbs. I wish I took some before, I'm very glad biologic makes me feel better, but at the same time, I wish I could have stay on softer drugs.

I’m in a flare and I take it every day or formula H, it helps me to a point. Yes I got a headache first day on it. My scope is Wednesday, we will see how the colon looks

Most times like two houra after eating. I’ve been diligent about take them all . I m in a flare for sure and it’s bumming me out. I don’t know what I did honestly to get it honestly