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Posted 10/26/2013 5:36 PM (GMT 0)
Ran across this while looking at other info.

Just an FYI.

Old Mike

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1742344/pdf/v078p00286.pdf

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 10/26/2013 11:43:25 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/26/2013 10:17 PM (GMT 0)
Messing with a natural hormone like cholesterol is asking for serious trouble. Blaming cholesterol for heart disease is like blaming firemen for fires - it accumulates in response to inflammation, which is caused by vegetable oils and sugars.

It's just so hard for me to fathom that we still live in the stone age of medicine when it comes to preventing degenerative diseases like heart disease. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

If I had a choice, I would probably choose death over being put on a statin drug - I've seen it do absolutely miserable things to people, including memory loss. I know one person who is literally wasting away from lipitor because he's so convinced that cholesterol is the culprit in heart disease. It also triggered an autoimmune condition.

Post Edited (StealthGuardian) : 10/26/2013 4:21:43 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/27/2013 1:48 AM (GMT 0)
It's just so hard for me to fathom that we still live in the stone age of medicine when it comes to preventing degenerative diseases like heart disease. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

So how come heart attack and stroke deaths have halved in the UK from 2001-12? We're still eaing carbs.

Statin drugs I dunno enough about to comment on either way.
Posted 10/27/2013 2:14 AM (GMT 0)

the article said...
• Colitis is a rare complication of simvastatin treatment.
• Colitis may be an effect of all statins.
• Always consider drugs as a possible cause of new
symptoms.


And statins are associated with developing diabetes. But as NCOT said sometimes statins are essential. I think if you can control your cholesterol without statins then you are better off. But once you get a heart attack I think statins are proven to be very effective for preventing another one.

I would feel terrible if I recommended someone get off of statins and they later had a heart attack. Bill Clinton took Lipitor while in the White House then quit that statin when he left office. He soon needed triple bypass surgery.

So I think once you are on them think twice or consult with a doctor before quitting them.
Posted 10/27/2013 7:23 AM (GMT 0)

NiceCupOfTea said...
It's just so hard for me to fathom that we still live in the stone age of medicine when it comes to preventing degenerative diseases like heart disease. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

So how come heart attack and stroke deaths have halved in the UK from 2001-12? We're still eaing carbs.

Statin drugs I dunno enough about to comment on either way.

Better emergency and diagnostic care leads to a higher lifespan, but not necessarily quality of life. Cardiologists and heart disease were unheard of in the early 1900s and now they are a dime a dozen. The rise of heart disease coincided with the lipid hypothesis in the late 1960s. Faulty science perpetuated the rise of chronic, degenerative disease. There hasn't been a single study linking saturated fat to heart disease. Here's a quick summary of the faulty science that led to the dietary recommendations today.

Ironically, butyrate is the colon's preferred source of energy and you get that from saturated fats like butter and ghee. It's no surprise that IBD is on the rise. Fat is actually essential for the colon and brain. Give it another 10 years and we'll see changes. Until then, many people are going to suffer unnecessarily.

Post Edited (StealthGuardian) : 10/27/2013 1:32:53 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/27/2013 7:31 AM (GMT 0)

BabeintheWoods said...

the article said...
• Colitis is a rare complication of simvastatin treatment.
• Colitis may be an effect of all statins.
• Always consider drugs as a possible cause of new
symptoms.


And statins are associated with developing diabetes. But as NCOT said sometimes statins are essential. I think if you can control your cholesterol without statins then you are better off. But once you get a heart attack I think statins are proven to be very effective for preventing another one.

I would feel terrible if I recommended someone get off of statins and they later had a heart attack. Bill Clinton took Lipitor while in the White House then quit that statin when he left office. He soon needed triple bypass surgery.

So I think once you are on them think twice or consult with a doctor before quitting them.

Once again, cholesterol is not the culprit in heart disease. This has been shown time and time again in studies. People with low cholesterol are just as likely to have heart incidents as those with high. Low cholesterol correlates well with higher suicide risk and many other health issues.
Posted 10/27/2013 12:27 PM (GMT 0)
I don't know enough to disagree with you about saturated fat. I try to eat pasture butter etc. as opposed to margarine. But please make sure that no one confuses healthy fats with trans fats. Trans fats, aka hydrogenated fats, really are poison.

I am not sure if it is true but I have heard that one reason your body makes excess cholesterol, as opposed from just getting it from food, is because of a vitamin D shortage. Your body needs cholesterol in your blood in order for it to convert sunlight into vitamin D.

So if you are deficient in vit D then your liver tries to produce more and more cholesterol and waits until you get into the sunlight in order to manufacture vitamin D . Unfortunately sometimes modern humans don't get into the sunlight very often.
Posted 10/27/2013 1:39 PM (GMT 0)
Cardiologists and heart disease were unheard of in the early 1900s and now they are a dime a dozen.

That's because people were too busy dying of infectious diseases. Do you know how crap poor people's diets were in those days? The UK poor lived mainly on bread, margarine, corned beef, and tea (with sugar of course). There was no internet in those days, so they didn't know that following a cavemen diet would have made them live to 100, even though cavemen only tended to live to their 30s. And even if they had known that, there was nothing they could have done about it, because they were too poor to afford decent meat, fresh fruit, any vegetable other than cabbage, etc.
Posted 10/27/2013 2:05 PM (GMT 0)
Dr. White, Eisenhower's cardiologists,back in 1956.

Old Mike
In 1956, an American Heart Association (AHA) fund-raiser aired on all three major networks. The MC interviewed, among others, Irving Page and Jeremiah Stamler of the AHA, and researcher Ancel Keys. Panelists presented the lipid hypothesis as the cause of the heart disease epidemic and launched the Prudent Diet, one in which corn oil, margarine, chicken and cold cereal replaced butter, lard, beef and eggs. But the television campaign was not an unqualified success because one of the panelists, Dr. Dudley White, disputed his colleagues at the AHA. Dr. White noted that heart disease in the form of myocardial infarction was nonexistent in 1900 when egg consumption was three times what it was in 1956 and when corn oil was unavailable. When pressed to support the Prudent Diet, Dr. White replied: "See here, I began my practice as a cardiologist in 1921 and I never saw an MI patent until 1928. Back in the MI free days before 1920, the fats were butter and lard and I think that we would all benefit from the kind of diet that we had at a time when no one had ever heard the word corn oil."
Posted 10/27/2013 2:24 PM (GMT 0)

BabeintheWoods said...
I don't know enough to disagree with you about saturated fat. I try to eat pasture butter etc. as opposed to margarine. But please make sure that no one confuses healthy fats with trans fats. Trans fats, aka hydrogenated fats, really are poison.

I am not sure if it is true but I have heard that one reason your body makes excess cholesterol, as opposed from just getting it from food, is because of a vitamin D shortage. Your body needs cholesterol in your blood in order for it to convert sunlight into vitamin D.

So if you are deficient in vit D then your liver tries to produce more and more cholesterol and waits until you get into the sunlight in order to manufacture vitamin D . Unfortunately sometimes modern humans don't get into the sunlight very often.

Enjoy Eating Saturated Fats

Saturated fats, particularly from pasture raised animals, are protective of cardiovascular and autoimmune disease. There's something in raw butter called the Wulzen Factor that prevents arteries from stiffening up. I just wish I had this advice 10 years ago because of the implications that butter and cholesterol have on colon health. Cholesterol is the body's natural prednisone. Populations like the French and Amish eat copious amounts with no ill effect on health.

I group transfats in the same category as vegetable oils with the exception of a few like olive, sunflower and flax. Even then, those oils must be cold pressed for the benefit.

When people cook with canola or soy, they are eating inflammation due to the high PUFA content. Not only that, most of them are almost certainly GMO.
Posted 10/27/2013 2:47 PM (GMT 0)

NiceCupOfTea said...
Cardiologists and heart disease were unheard of in the early 1900s and now they are a dime a dozen.

That's because people were too busy dying of infectious diseases. Do you know how crap poor people's diets were in those days? The UK poor lived mainly on bread, margarine, corned beef, and tea (with sugar of course). There was no internet in those days, so they didn't know that following a cavemen diet would have made them live to 100, even though cavemen only tended to live to their 30s. And even if they had known that, there was nothing they could have done about it, because they were too poor to afford decent meat, fresh fruit, any vegetable other than cabbage, etc.

I agree. Infectious disease was high, but if you made it beyond that point your quality of life wasn't too bad. Today, old age is synonymous with nursing homes.

The point is that misinformation is insidious and there's tons of profit being made from it.
Posted 10/27/2013 3:22 PM (GMT 0)
but if you made it beyond that point your quality of life wasn't too bad

For whom?

When it came to recruitment for the first world war, the recruiters were shocked at the numbers of malnourished, stunted young males with rickets, etc.

At least wait until you're 80 before imbuing the past with a rosy-hued nostalgia. There probably never was a golden age of health and if there was, the early 1900s wasn't it.
Posted 10/27/2013 3:26 PM (GMT 0)
Not that it matters and maybe it's not related in any way to this thread as I don;t know what statins are other than something to do with heart.

- But my mom has myocardial infarctions and has been having trouble for some time. She's also had IBS for years (which she just recently told me) and lately she's had a persistent skin rash that the dermatologist keeps telling her is stress related our caused by stress so prescribed cortizone cream..

After all this reading and searching on here for various things I showed up at her place about a week ago... What I did was bought and replaced every single product she uses from soap, to cleaning, laundry, to skin, hair, teeth and such.. everything with products from Nature Clean and anything else I could find chemical free and organic. So no chemicals or pesticides. And bought her some citric and jojoba oils for her skin instead of moisturizers (all 100% organic). As well, I brought her a water filter jug - one I made myself for her (by doctoring up an exiting store bought one to make it work better), and I bought her two air cleaners - one for her bedroom and one for her living room where she spends all her time. I bought her some specific probiotics, and a fridge full of organic foods..

So essentially I walked in and turned here life upside down LOL.. She's 100% foreign to all this, and totally freaked out at first but said she would try it for two weeks - so next I have to teach her how to shop as well.

And no artificial sugars whatsoever for her - which she is having trouble grasping or what they even are (she older i.e 72'ish) and all her meats by next will I'll have switched over to grass fed free range. Margarine is out - grass fed organic butter is in her fridge now as well.

Anyway - long story short - Inside of a week, just these changes have been positive enough that she's decided to stick with it. In fact she says she feels a whole lot better... her skin has improved, her rash is minimal... and she's taken up reading about this stuff on the internet.

One week...

How crazy is that. I'm sooooo curious how she will be at the end of next week. Wondering if it will come back or go away (the rash) - and curious how her heart will respond and cholesterol and such will change as she has this tested regularly.

haha - my mom is my human science experiment...

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 10/27/2013 9:30:31 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/18/2018 8:13 PM (GMT 0)
Just happened to find this,probably talking about the same case.
This doc really blasting Merck
oldmike



/spacedoc.com/articles/statins-and-ulcerative-colitis
Posted 5/18/2018 8:35 PM (GMT 0)
I started a statin almost a year ago (rosuvastatin), 10mg...no issues relating to UC, plus the best c-scope to date in 29+ years.

High cholesterol is many times related to liver disease, which I have, but familial heart, high BP and probably cholesterol is where I could fit in as well. Mine lowered within the 3 month check, and the cardio doc was more than pleased....as was I.

q
Posted 5/18/2018 9:25 PM (GMT 0)

the article said...
Little did we know then of the truth about this simple reductase inhibitor, for in blocking cholesterol, statins must inevitably block the synthesis of CoQ10 and dolichol...
This leads to dramatic changes in the cellular functions of most people.

Merck knew something was coming back in 1990 when they filed with the U.S. Patent Office for a combined Mevacor/CoQ10 pill because of, “the inflammation to come.” Yet when permission was granted they simply filed it away and never said a word to the medical community about these expected “inflammatory” reactions.

Maybe we can mitigate the drawbacks of statins by supplementing with CoQ10? I thought I read somewhere that in Canada Q10 is routinely prescribed along with statins. I guess Quincy would know.
Posted 5/18/2018 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
Been known for years now that statins deplete cq10.

Hint hint, what else cq10 might do for UC even without statins.
Been on it for one bottle, 400 mg a day, will let you know if???. Reduced form.
Taking not for UC, go figure, trying to keep arteries clean.

Oldmike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 5/18/2018 5:45:01 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/19/2018 3:33 AM (GMT 0)
Very interesting discussion and entertaining posts.

"That's because people were too busy dying of infectious diseases."

So last summer heart doctor was alarmed and I had surgery to place a stent but I thoroughly researched it with subscription to uptodate.com. I told him only bare metal because UC bleeding I may need to stop dual antiplatelet therapy and 50% that stop early are dead. No drug-eluding, no bio-absorbing. Bare metal had the shortest DAPT. Turns out the Nuclear treadmill test was wrong I did not have 70% or greater blockage but 30% in the widow maker which bifurcates but unfortunately does so after and not before the narrowing. I made some changes and feel great with nothing in there.

But then the heart guy keeps wanting to put me on a statin. I researched that heavily and it is not for me I went into immediate flare and had to rush out of important meetings at work.

My father is turning 80 and I have been managing all aspects of his life, legal, financial etc. He was sharp in his prime, Airline Captain on his own since age 16. But he has been on this darned statin for 10-20 years and has vascular dementia and despite being taller is a skeleton and weighs less than me. I read statins cause muscle wasting and I read about the interaction with UC. No thanks.

My total cholesterol was only 100 so whats the big deal ? They sure want to push them. Now the bad thing is my good cholersterol is too low and I have not found anything that fixes that.

I did a lot of testing and nothing I bought improved either one but dropping suga and eating lots of animal meat and butter lowered my total cholesterol.
Posted 5/19/2018 5:37 AM (GMT 0)
No I wasn't given coq10. I'll see if I've been checked for it.
q
Posted 5/19/2018 12:19 PM (GMT 0)

aguywithuc said...
Now the bad thing is my good cholersterol is too low and I have not found anything that fixes that.

A week or two before your next blood test try eating a handful of macadamia nuts each day. I noticed an increase in HDL after eating some macadamia nuts and garlic.

It may have just been a coincidence but I later learned that omega-7 fats are supposed to increase HDL and one of the richest sources is macadamia nuts. I don't know if it was the nuts or the garlic, I wasn't actually trying to increase HDL, but it serendipitously increased. At least this might be something you can research.
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