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Large51
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Posted 10/6/2012 3:14 AM (GMT 0)
Just wondering if anyone has a GI doctor that seems to push certain medicines. I've had two one seemed to push asacol and the other apriso. They both had tons of small samples they gave me even though they just wrote a script
. Made me wonder if they got kick backs for prescribing even when it didn't seem to help. Moved on to another who gave me more options.
notsosicklygirl
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Posted 10/6/2012 3:57 AM (GMT 0)
I am pretty sure that my GI doesn't get anything for prescribing one medication over another. She's always
open to giving me whichever I ask for. I haven't tried Apriso, Asacol is one of the older and more well-known medications. I don't think either is considered better, they are just different and one may work better for one person than another. If neither worked for you, there are others you can try. What did the 3rd doctor offer you?
Large51
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Posted 10/6/2012 4:40 AM (GMT 0)
He kept me on the apriso and had me try canasa supp. That seemed to work for about
8 months but had another flare so he gave me choice of Remicade, humira or azathioprine with prednisone. Not happy about
the steroid but will slowly wean off. Hopefully the blood test will turn out okay with the azathioprine.
garylouisville
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Posted 10/6/2012 11:27 AM (GMT 0)
I don't think they get kickbacks per say but my exwife was a nurse working in doctor's offices and it was quite common for drug companies and others to buy the whole office lunch. There's not many days she had to worry about
lunch because somebody somewhere bought it almost every day. And, that's why they get the free samples. It's not exactly out of the kindness of their hearts. The drug companies give a bunch of free samples to the doctor's office and then the doctor then gives free samples to the patients. Well, the doctor isn't going to give a bunch of free samples of Apriso to one of his patients and then turn around and prescribe Asacol. Some doctors are above this but that's kind of how the system works.
Justcantbeleave
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Posted 10/6/2012 11:51 AM (GMT 0)
I had to laugh when I read your post, just yesterday my sister and I had this conversation about
my doctor trying to get me to take Remicaid. When I told her I was affraid of this drug she said...well it doesn't matter what she said, but she stormed out. I was shocked!! I said to my sister you'd think I just repo her yacht or something. They must get a kick back or CASH, the way she stormed out of the room. She is my new doctor only the second time I have seen her, now I don't know what to do?
IamCurious
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Posted 10/6/2012 1:59 PM (GMT 0)
Here is a perfect example from the Washington Post newspaper, a multiple sclerosis patient loses trust in her neurologist because of his ties to drug companies:
washingtonpost
Christine1946
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Posted 10/6/2012 3:27 PM (GMT 0)
I can tell you for a fact that my GI doctor was going on many cruises thanks to Remicade. I confronted him with that (I know a drug rep who worked for the manufacturer of Remicade) and he blubbered all over himself. He pushed Remicade on me for two solid years before I finally "gave in". I built up antibodies to it relatively fast, so after my 4th infusion I was done with it. Humira and 6MP failed too.
ByeByeUC
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Posted 10/6/2012 3:31 PM (GMT 0)
Doctors absolutely make money off prescribing drugs! Some are bigger money makers than others. I would still like to think that a good doctor will always have the patients best interests at heart when suggesting medications and not thinking about
padding his/her wallet first.
Peety
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Posted 10/6/2012 6:54 PM (GMT 0)
There is a fairly new (2009?) Rx code of ethics dealing with this issue, so docs dont benefit like they used to, like with free cruises etc. Google Pharma code of ethics.
I am less cynical, and believe that getting an audience with the doc for a few minutes to bring their attention to a new drug or whatever by providing lunch for the staff is not going to change the quality of care you get. It might even help!
Old Hat
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Posted 10/8/2012 4:43 AM (GMT 0)
A while back we did a thread on aggressive marketing by drug companies, and Eva Lou, who works in a clinic, described all the merchandise stamped with these companies' logos that their sales reps would bring to distribute to personnel at her facility. It was both appalling & hilarious because some of the stuff was so tacky. When a gastro gives an IBD patient free Rx samples, though, it doesn't necessarily mean that the doctor is "pushing" a particular drug because he/she is invested in the manufacturer! These meds mostly are very expensive to buy & may not work or can cause allergies/side effects-- so the gastro may actually be saving the patient needless expense by handing them a trial Rx sample. I was thrilled when mine gave me Colazal samples in convenient purse-size bottles at the outset of my treatment! It turned into an absolute blessing because the med helped me more than any of the older 5-ASA meds which I had to pay for from the very start. / Old Hat (32 yrs with left-sided UC; presently in remission taking brandname Colazal)
tournevice
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Posted 10/8/2012 6:20 AM (GMT 0)
I always laughed at those threads about
doctors who benefits financially from prescribing a certain type of drugs.
I still really believe they don't.
But then it clicked for me why firmly think they don't. I'm Canadian living now in the UK and both have similar health care system which is sponsored by the government with payers taxes. It never came to my mind that a doctor could do such a thing but then I remember back in Canada lots of doctors would be tempted to work in the US because they said you can make so much more money over there.
So now I'm a bit disappointed that it might be a reality that doctors gets benefits from pushing one med or another.Because I think that it's morally wrong.
Mammatus
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Posted 10/8/2012 11:33 AM (GMT 0)
Some doctors get plain old monetary bribes. Most get "perks", like the aforementioned free food or trips to boondoggles (like ski vacations that are supposed to me medical conferences). It's a scam. Our medical system, as good as it may be at times, sucks big time in so many ways.
DBwithUC
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Posted 10/8/2012 4:07 PM (GMT 0)
There is a lot of myth and distortion here. Drug reps do leave samples, gifts, and may buy lunch. When you have several similar drugs, this may get theirs on top. Docs/clinics who buy and stock drugs, mostly IV stuff, the sales rep will know if they are ordering.
Some docs in key positions may go on these boondoggle medical conferences that are more like paid vacations. I think a lot do not. My brother-in-law is a radiologist who prescribes a lot of pain meds, steroids, and anti-inflammatories. He has never had a free drug-company trip. My GI takes two vacations a year. One with his family/grand kids, and one fishing with friends at the same stream thy visit ever year for 20 years. I am glad when he has samples to give me because I have at least a 25% co-pay on drugs.
There is no system of kickbacks per prescript
ion written. It would be much more effective for pharmacy companies to cut deals with insurance companies and HMO's to get their drug on the formulary.
ActiveUCer
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Posted 10/8/2012 10:05 PM (GMT 0)
There's alot that can be going on to make one doc push a particular pill/ medication over another. I've never used Asipro but I can comment on Lialda vs. Asacol
When they started as a GI - Asacol has been around forever and that may be their tried and true default
Considerations about
patient compliance - Lialda you take once a day (4 pills max) while you need to take Asacol 3x's a day (3 pills each time max?)
Considerations about
patient financial state - I don't think Lialda has a generic yet, so Asacol might be the better option financially for some people.
Free samples on hand - give these a try then get a script
State of your condition - I've heard that some of these might be better than others in different parts of the digestive tract
Convenience (Humira) versus record (Remicade) - Humira is much more convenient to take. Remicade has a better track record. It depends on what your GI values more.
As someone else mentioned, I don't think drug companies can give docs incentives anymore (aside from samples and food). My mom works in a doctor's office and I remember several years ago (around 2009) talking about
how they would no longer be overwhelmed with free pens!
Some docs will also get frustrated when you don't follow their instructions (i.e. Get the Remicade!) or will get frustrated when they see a patient in a really poor state not taking the medication that the doctor thinks is the absolute best option to get a person better.
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