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Posted 5/22/2013 10:15 AM (GMT 0)
Wish they gave more details on this,wonder if they still have my blood from 1970.

I was in the then experimental meningitis vaccine testing forced program,so they took blood every week for 8 weeks.

Will have to search around for more info.

Old Mike

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130521194227.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 5/22/2013 7:39:44 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/22/2013 12:52 PM (GMT 0)
Interesting. I wonder how many of these people experienced IBS symptoms before their actual IBD diagnosis. It is my belief that there is no such thing as IBS and that IBS is merely an extremely mild form of IBD which may or may not get worse.
Posted 5/22/2013 1:00 PM (GMT 0)
how could they experience ibs symptoms if there is no such thing ????
Posted 5/22/2013 1:06 PM (GMT 0)
hahaha soystud. what a smarta**

Interesting article Old Mike. I was wondering about you last night...did you ever see any benefit from DMSO? I remembered you saying you'd been rubbing it on your forearm or thereabouts a few weeks back.

Posted 5/22/2013 1:25 PM (GMT 0)
To tell you the truth I forget to use it,right now into wheatgrass,but will try and remember to use the DSMO at night.
OM
Posted 5/22/2013 5:18 PM (GMT 0)
Many of the IBS symptoms mirror IBD symtpoms. Sometimes the only difference I see between IBS and IBD is that with IBD you get an actual diagnosis from test results whereas with IBS you are experiencing IBD type symptoms but they can't find anything wrong with you through tests so they label it IBS. They might as well call it RPQ or XYZ. It is my belief that IBD and IBS are actually the exact same thing but that IBS is to such a small degree that it is not detectable using the tests which diagnose IBD. It may get better or it may get worse (IBD), or it may continue to just give you symtpoms where nothing shows up in tests but that the cause of it all could be traced to the exact same thing - if they were ever able to figure out the cause of any of it.

Just my humble opinion from things that I have read and my own personal experience and the experiences of others. I was diagnosed with UC with no mention of IBS whatsoever and now, even though I basically have the same exact symptoms, my doc says that my UC is under control and that now I have IBS - because they can't find anything wrong with me anymore. I say B.S. It's all the same, caused by the exact same thing and that they're just making crap up as they go along.
Posted 5/22/2013 5:47 PM (GMT 0)
People suffer with IBS for decades and never show signs of inflammation, that's the difference, and that's the reason why they are 2 separate entities and NOT IBS turning into IBD...there's also no intestinal bleeding as a result of IBS (unless one has an internal hemorrhoid causing bleeding). And it is possible for one patient to suffer from both conditions.
Posted 5/22/2013 5:50 PM (GMT 0)
I wouldn't be surprised Gary.

My mother has 'IBS' I have had scopes with mild, moderate, and severe inflammation and have filled the bowl a deep red and colored the toilet paper a dark thick red on occasions too numerous to count. Her symptoms of urgency, D, frequency, and pain are much worse than mine in scope and duration, however.
Posted 5/22/2013 6:02 PM (GMT 0)
I have had IBS since I was 10, a few nightly painful cramps and severe constipation every year.... never had any bleeding or other symptoms. Docs just advised to increase fiber intake that's about it.

Now at age 42 I have been diagnosed with IBD with an active flare in progress.
Posted 5/22/2013 6:24 PM (GMT 0)
There are cases of severe IBS patients that can be much worse off than a mild IBDer, that doesn't change the fact that they are 2 separate entities though...and that alone means that one can happen before the other, but that doesn't change the fact they are 2 different conditions with some similar symptoms.
Posted 5/22/2013 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
I'm just saying that in my opinion the public and medical profession has been brainwashed into believing they are two seperate conditions. In a way they are but in my opinion they are both caused by the exact same thing and that one (IBS) is more mild where the other (IBD) is severe enough to show inflammation and is able to be diagnosed with various tests. As some cases of IBD go into flares or remissions (or stay the same) IBS is also similar in that it can get better or worse (at which time they say you have IBD), or they can have "IBS" for decades where it doesn't ever get better or it doesn't ever get worse enough to be diagnosed as IBD but I believe the causes to all are the same, IBS is just a milder version of an IBD that isn't bad enough to be diagnosed.

The thing is doctors can tell you what Crohns is. They can tell you what UC is. They can't tell you what causes it but they can tell you that the symptoms you are experiencing are actually from your immune system running amuk, causing inflammation, which in turn causes diarrhea, bleeding, frequency, urgency, pain, etc. They can't tell you what IBS is! They can't tell you what is actually causing your symptoms. All they can do is throw their arms up in the air and admit that if you're having symptoms and they can't find anything wrong, then you have "IBS" but they can't tell you why you have pains, diarrhea, constipation, frequency, urgency, etc. like they can with IBD.

For an example IBS may be where the immune system is attacking one of the good bacterias in your colon, causing you symptoms but it is not bad enough to show up in diagnostic testing in order to be diagnosed with IBD. IBD may be where the immune system is attacking 3 or 4 good bacterias in your colon, causing more widespread problems that show up in diagnostic testing and therefore an IBD diagnosis.

Posted 5/22/2013 8:28 PM (GMT 0)
My personal opinion (no scientific basis here)... based on experiencing IBS for decades and IBD now is that they are related. I think there isn't enough understanding to know that IBD is even an autoimmune disease. There is probably an unknown imbalance that is causing the colon to react and get inflammed.
Posted 5/22/2013 8:35 PM (GMT 0)
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