Tornado6 said...
The research is being done at Monash University in Australia. There are foods that have moved from ok to not after being lab tested to find out if they are fermentable or not.
Stop researching on every hack's 'food map' website. In general Australian sources are better. This is a standard nutritionist tool down there now.
The whole point in avoiding fermentable carbs is to reduce functional symptoms of gas, bloating, and abdominal pain. It doesn't matter what certain things ferment into if the fermentation causes gas and bloating. I cannot take certain fiber supplements or probiotics because of this, it is just too painful.
The creators of the diet have a US book coming out in August. you can pay around $150 for their Australian book now on Amazon.
Sue Shepherd is the creator of the diet
shepherdworks.com.au/
Monash University is testing foods
www.med.monash.edu/cecs/gastro/fodmap/
Patsy Catsos has a very up to date US website, and I used her book as my guide to FODMAP elimination.
www.ibsfree.net/
I have had excellent success controlling flatulence so that I can finally retain my enemas all night by limiting FODMAPs.
I started in Australia and kept looking after that.
"It doesn't matter what certain things ferment into if the fermentation causes gas and bloating."
Not for me, I want to stop the things that ferment into the cause of ulcerations and butyrate helps resolve them and studies have shown RS down there thickens the mucous and helps those with UC. This is exactly why some people here are taking Butyrate pills from BodyBio.
They made no mention of it, just categorically called it bad because it ferments down there. When you brush aside other peoples research and studies you explain how it is flawed. They just darned RS without justification. RS worked for me. I will normally try anything but this is too thin for me at this time.
Like I said I think they are on to something but nothing I can rely on at this stage.
"By means of fermentation, gastrointestinal microbes break down nutrients that cannot be hydrolyzed by mammalian host enzymes and thus play an important role in digestive physiology, not only in plant-eating animals (herbivores) but also in humans (omnivores). A substantial amount of energy, otherwise lost in feces, is conserved by colonic salvage of calories, mainly derived from complex carbohydrates (“grass”). The microbial flora may consume enough “grass” to cover ∼5–10% of our daily energy demand (5). In fact, energy obtained from microbial fermentation products may contribute to the development of obesity (9).
Colonic fermentation yields both gases (e.g., hydrogen, methane, and carbon dioxide) and short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs; e.g., acetic, propionic, and butyric acids), which exert several effects of major physiological and pathophysiological importance. The production and absorption of SCFAs facilitate the uptake of electrolytes and water and reduce the osmotic effect of unabsorbed carbohydrate molecules. Hence, diarrhea will ensue if colonic fermentation capacity is impaired (e.g., antibiotic-associated diarrhoea) or overwhelmed (e.g., lactase deficiency) (6). Colonocytes rely mainly on nutrition from the colonic lumen (the “milieu extérieur”) and have a preference for using butyrate as an energy substrate. “Starvation colitis” may develop if access to SCFAs is hindered, and failure of β-oxidation of SCFAs has been proposed as a pathogenetic mechanism for ulcerative colitis (7). SCFAs, especially butyrate, display antineoplastic properties and may prevent the development of colorectal cancer "
advan.physiology.org/content/34/1/22.fullThe gas mostly comes from our damaged flora which RS can help correct.
Sticking with wheatgrass and navy beans. FODMAP seems to be looking only at data that supports their theory and ignoring the rest. Will incorporate their fruit advice and follow their work in the meantime. Seems 'melons' in general are ok based on Monash University I read earlier today.