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Posted 3/9/2014 12:29 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, just wondering when you started olive leaf extract did you notice much die off reaction and if so at what dose? Also any benefits?
Posted 3/9/2014 3:35 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, Petah. I was doing a lot when I introed olive leaf so I can't say what was due to the olive leaf and what was due to other things.

I take between 1.7 and 3 grams of 20% oleurpin olive leaf extract. I think it has been one of the 5 most beneficial supplements I've taken.
Posted 3/9/2014 4:12 PM (GMT 0)
Just to play devil's advocate your last post seems a little contradictory in that you said:

1. "I was doing a lot when I introed olive leaf so I can't say what was due to the olive leaf and what was due to other things"

2. "I think it has been one of the 5 most beneficial supplements I've taken"

You do give a lot of good info though and have a lot of knowledge, although I'm not so sure about most cases of UC being connected to pathogens, unless you're talking about a misguided immune system attacking pathogens in a way that isn't happening in other individuals that have those very same pathogens. You sure nailed my recent interigo diagnosis and I am going to take up your suggestion regarding the Folic acid supplement thing in the near future. You brought up something there I didn't realize.
Posted 3/9/2014 4:34 PM (GMT 0)
I can't narrow down if my negative reactions (herx) were caused by olive leaf but I sure can identify what has happened after that initial period :) in the beginning I think my herx reactions had much more to do with rapid detox from opening up mthfr, but I can't be sure it wasn't the olive leaf. I significantly upped my dosage of it based on my drs advice as well as added anatumul, ferula and triphala...so any of those things could have had to do with how I felt. When I stop olive leaf the amount of white blood cells in my body decreases significantly and what stays is mainly monocytes. I do know from an OCD like obsession with noting what the heck goes on in my actual blood and then we verify through lab testing that ill stay on olive leaf.
Posted 3/9/2014 4:37 PM (GMT 0)
gary, you also really need to balance the folic acid you are taking with b-12.. Research "folate trap"

maartens.home.xs4all.nl/me/RESOURCES/NEW/folate-trap.htm

Post Edited (PathogenKiller) : 3/9/2014 11:16:05 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/9/2014 10:50 PM (GMT 0)
Did anyone notice a drop in blood pressure with olive leaf? I am low anyway, can wake up in the mornings at 80/50 and feel so dizzy so worried about something that might drop it even lower.
Posted 3/9/2014 11:18 PM (GMT 0)
Patho: The only reason I have been taking Folic acid (and D3) is to help ward off cancer since UC gives us a higher risk. I'm starting to wonder if the whole thing is more trouble than it is worth. I didn't research it very much. I just heard they helped vs cancer so I basically said what the heck and took them. Am I justified in doing this or is it a waste of time? I'm trying to cut down on the number of things I'm taking since the Grape Seed Extract appears to be working wonders for me, not only for convenience but to cut down on total monthly costs as well. I don't want my UC to get worse but if I can cut back somewhere, somehow I would like to do that instead of increasing what I'm doing.
Posted 3/9/2014 11:38 PM (GMT 0)
I was also wondering about the blood pressure
Posted 3/9/2014 11:39 PM (GMT 0)
They are actually linking increase synthetic folic acid to cancer..

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/271601.php.

ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/2/271.long

Some studies say its good, some bad. From learning a bit about methylation, the folks on that side of the fence contend it is the synthetic folic acid that is the problem and its causing a functional deficit in useable folate by basically gumming up the methyl cycle.

Personally, if I didn't know my genetics and that I had a very high homocysteine level, I would be cautious with supplementation and stay very low dose. I would not take folate without b12. I think because of how you react to dao you have methyl cycle issues. But I'm never gonna get you to go down that rabbit hole ;).

So, with that in mind, I'd cut the supplement and up your folate rich food.
Posted 3/9/2014 11:57 PM (GMT 0)
London, have you been screened for dysautonomia? I think olive leaf is regulating, but I can't say for sure. My blood pressure has been relatively the same through my treatment. I have a doc Appt tomorrow. Ill try to remember to ask.
Posted 3/10/2014 12:01 AM (GMT 0)
OK. Folic Acid is out the window.
Posted 3/10/2014 12:30 AM (GMT 0)
That's the catch 20 with this illness, or any other, you don't know what's preventing what until it's doesn't..
Like colostrum, it increases gut permeability..I don't feel a lot better taking it, but maybe it's helping long term..
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