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songlady
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Posted 2/10/2016 10:39 PM (GMT 0)
My GI just called with the results of my chromoendoscopy last week. The good news: all the biopsies were fine, no dyplasia.
But the pathology showed more inflammation further into the colon than in the past. He suggested an 8 week course of Uceris and then an office visit to figure out how to proceed in the future for maintenance.
I am not thrilled to be on any kind of oral steroid, having been on prednisone for 2 years a few decades ago and having developed full moon face, weight gain, etc. But, whatever, I will give it a try. (I know it's supposed to be a lot less systemic than pred.)
He threw around a lot of different med names for possibilities in the future. I mentioned the 6-mp and similar (having thought that would be the next step) and he started talking about
TNF, Humira, Remicade, etc - I said to him, gosh, it's hard to even think about
what I consider "the big guns" when I don't even feel sick! So.... we'll see. I have only been with this doc a few years and we have not faced any big issues/decisions yet. This bump in the road may tell how we work together.
He says that he thinks I should have annual colonoscopies (which is what I've been doing, pretty much) and that he would recommend chromoendoscopies here on out.
While I had him on the phone I mentioned that I went online to reorder a refill of Lialda and the cost came to $2,643! (for 3 months.) He said his office would call me to help with an assistance card. I am not sure if that or a Canadian pharmacy would be cheaper....
Somehow I knew he would call on Ash Wednesday. I am glad the news is as good as it is!
imagardener2
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Posted 2/10/2016 10:46 PM (GMT 0)
Canada would be much lower than that price but maybe patient assistance would be even less.
iPoop
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Posted 2/10/2016 11:22 PM (GMT 0)
Your doctor's office might have lialda savings cards, if not get one online.
/www.activatepharmacycard.com
Immunomodulators are next, imuran, 6mp, or aza. I'd try those before biologics.
hateuc
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Posted 2/10/2016 11:47 PM (GMT 0)
I have a Lialda card and pay $10/month (has nothing to do with income, fyi) Call Shire pharm and ask them about
it. Hope that helps.
I can understand the shock with the bigger gun meds...I am unsure how I would feel about
that especially if you feel well. I think I would try Entyvio first if insurance allowed. Please let us know how it goes.
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ElpisUnbreakable
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Posted 2/11/2016 1:56 AM (GMT 0)
I didn't find uceris anywhere near as horrendous as prednisone. I don't remember getting any weight gain or moon face from it either. I hope it works out for you. I would hold off on the "big guns" if you are not experiencing symptoms.
songlady
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Posted 2/11/2016 2:27 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks, friends. I know that, geenrally speaking, the immunomodultors would be next, and that is what he has spoken to me about
in the past. Maybe he has simply caught on to the fact that I am a "not yet, let's give it some more time..." sort of person and wanted to shake me up a little. It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds.
And I am glad to hear the less-than-negatory reports about
the Uceris.
You folks are wonderful!
quincy
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Posted 2/11/2016 8:07 PM (GMT 0)
It sounds as though the offer of the Uceris might help you. If you have side effects, then they can be revisited.
Thrilled to hear no dysplasia!! Any hyperplasia in that inflammation?
The yearly c-scopes seem the way to go.
Is it possible to try another oral 5ASA such as Pentasa? Would that help cost-wise?
q
songlady
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Posted 2/12/2016 1:32 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Q -
To be honest, when the Doc called I got stuck on the "no dysplasia" and didn't ask other questions. When I see him in 2 months I will ask (and ask for a copy of the report!)
I asked about
other 5-ASAs before launching into stronger meds. That would be my preference!
Uceris might be good, but today the mail-order pharmacy called to tell me it would cost 1,532 for the first 30 days' worth. So I cancelled that until I look up the discount card for that, also!
We have had a change in insurance because my husband changed jobs, and, well, shall I say I am horrified at what medications seem not to be covered?! I will have to take time from work tomorrow to delve into these cards, call the GI's office about
all this (he had said the office could help me unravel the Lialda mess) and order me up some meds! Argh! And I have a busy work weekend coming up. Ho well. I could go off on a rant, but ... I won't.
notsosicklygirl
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Posted 2/12/2016 1:51 AM (GMT 0)
I am happy you got good results from the biopsies. I am not sure how I would feel about
moving forward with steroids if I weren't having symptoms. Taking the uceris is going to provide what benefit? elimination of inflammation that isn't causing any symptoms? Why not just start 6mp or something to try to get things managed for the long-term and avoid steroids?
If you were miserable with moderate symptoms, I could 100% see good reason to take a course of steroids to try to get things to a manageable state while moving forward with additional treatment, but in the case where you don't have symptoms, I am not sure there is a point. I hate steroids...
songlady
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Posted 2/12/2016 2:25 AM (GMT 0)
Hi nssg, I agree. I did my 2 years of pred early on and... yuck!
My Doc is big on taking care of microscopic inflammation. Personally, I've cared more about
symptomatic inflammation. He's a prof at a university and teaching hospital and... I don't know, likes to prove that he can clean up the tiniest inflammation?
If I do take the Uceris, how will we (Doc and I) even know if the Uceris has worked, since I am not having noticeable symptoms? (He is not going to scope me again in 2 months just to see!)
I've started up the steroid enemas in the past week (mesalamine enemas have never helped me unfortunately) and have 1 -3 poops a day, all in the morning after my coffee and before I need to leave the house; well-formed (well, this morning the third one wasn't, but that was last night's Chinese food) - no interruptions during the day, no pain. No mucus, no blood except what was the result of the 100 biopsies from last week.
Sigh. So tomorrow I may call the GI and leave a message for himself, in addition to the list above. My work day is getting more and more cramped! lol
quincy
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Posted 2/12/2016 3:26 AM (GMT 0)
What about
entocort if Uceris costs so much? yikes.
I sure hope the doc can help with the cost of meds....wow, that's a lot of $$.
Hyperplasia...I realise means excess of cells, but not in the direction of cancer. My polyp has hyperplasic...I guess that's a good thing for now.
Keep us posted regarding what med you end up taking.
q
hateuc
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Posted 2/12/2016 4:29 PM (GMT 0)
This is always an interesting question....how far to go with immune suppressing or biologic meds which can have some unwanted effects vs low level inflammation that won't totally go away with the low level meds.
I guess everyone has their own feel about
that. I am sure I have simmering in the rectum that doesn't totally go away. I use enemas nightly forever and steroid supps about
2X/week but still it ebbs and flows.
I think this is also a good question that the docs look at --symptomatic remission vs remission on scope. How far to go with the meds? Tough call. I would def. want to try a different oral asa or maybe even combine (ie: I had one dr have me take my 2 Lialda and than some Colazol within the same day) It didn't work for me (I have mesalamine intolerance at high doses so we were trying) Just throwing it out there.
Let us know how it goes with the Dr. and meds.
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Old Hat
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Posted 2/14/2016 11:34 PM (GMT 0)
So glad to hear you had no dysplasia! I can understand why you hesitate RE Uceris, having insurance uncertainties & no obvious change in symptoms. It's so outrageous what these meds cost ... wish you good luck reviewing your options. / Old Hat (35 yrs with left-sided UC; presently in remission taking brandname Colazal)
TotesMagotes
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Posted 2/15/2016 5:21 PM (GMT 0)
There is a savings card for Uceris as well. I was able to get a months supply for $25 when I used it.
songlady
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Posts : 3840
Posted 2/16/2016 1:02 AM (GMT 0)
I got the Uceris for $25. My local grocery store pharmacy, where I tend to go for non-long term meds, was on the list at the Uceris site (thank you, folks who put together the Resources section above!! xo) so even though I forgot to print out the card I got a month's worth for $25.
Something in the US system is very weird if an individual with medical insurance is given the option to pay $1,500 or $25.
And so I took my first of the Uceris just a few minutes ago.
I have given a lot of thought in the last week to no symptoms/microscopic inflammation/are meds necessary. As I went through the week I talked to someone with divertic. who was having the slightest of symptoms and was put on nasty meds for a month, and another friend who has HIV, no symptoms, and must take meds for the duration. I thought, "yeah, well. Grow up, Song. The meds are to prevent things from getting worse down the line!" And so I am taking them.
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