zinc carnosine

Yes, I remember the zinc salt study. There is a product in the pipeline I think now, but these things take forever to appear on the chemist's shelf of course. If memory serves, I read something that said another more common form of zinc should also work (was it citrate or sulphate??) and so I did buy some. However, just as I was about to try it I found out I was anaemic, so I haven't take it very often (zinc and iron compete for absorption). So that's an incomplete experiment as yet . .

I'm giving fish oils a good go after reading about inflammation and essential fatty acids (I have bladder inflammation as well as gastritis, so I think there may be a link). There's a google book by Barry Sears which you may find interesting reading on that subject.

Have you come across "vitamin u" or Cabagin-U ?? It's some extract of cabbages, which is available in the USA as a spray with propolis - allegedly good for acid reflux and damaged throat etc. Can't get it here, but I wondered if you have come across it? I can't work out from the blurb whether Methionine is supposed to have the same effect (tho that wouldn't be in a liquid . . .).

I'm always running too many experiments; something always scuppers my plans cos I'll get a flare up, some other transient ailment, or life in general just gets in the way!!

MMM

PS: your other test you had coming up, is that done and was it OK?

Many moons ago I used to work for a doctor who said "If you go fishing . . . . " meaning that the advances in screening and xray technology and more advanced blood tests, meant that if you went on a fishing trip the odds were you would find something. Which then lead to having to be seen to do something about it, which is sometimes good and necessary, but often times the finding is just that, a "finding". Sometimes we're better off not knowing what lies beneath, but modern medicine doesn't give us that option anymore.

I'm sorry you didn't get any definitive answers on your last ride of the merry-go-round. Fingers crossed they'll sound the All Clear for you very soon,

MMM

So, I am a little confused - it seems to me that the "zinc salts" quoted in the study are not the same as "zinc carnosine" - or are they? zinc carnosine is already available right now - and seems to be used primarily to treat peptic ulcers and such inside the stomach - while zinc salts quoted in the study (being compared with the PPIs) are not really available right now in vitamin stores / otc ?
That study does not mention the exact zinc salt - it is clearly not only zinc.

http://www.nature.com/ajg/journal/v106/n1/abs/ajg2010327a.html
This was the original abstract I read.

Somewhere else I read someone else's thoughts on what form of zinc might have a similar effect . . I'll see if I can find it.

MMM

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=771590

Found it. Now I remember, it was another forum having a similar chat to us

MMM

Thanks mudmagnetmum,

All the links that you dug out . have a lot of good information - esp. the patent application is loaded with technical information that I found very useful.

So .. if we want to try some sort of "edible water soluble zinc salt" .. how should we go about getting our hands on it?

Post Edited (PPI-LESS) : 9/19/2011 2:03:25 PM (GMT-6)

PS EnerGex is also zinc sulphate

http://www.immunova.bm/products-remienergex.htm

If you enlarge the label you can just about read what's in it!

MMM

I might give it a go too - can get zinc carnosine in the uk. Am not keen to try the ones with mastic gum as I already tried that and it didn't do anything at all (I think it works on Helicobacter which I've been told I don't have).

Ta for the link

MMM

Thanks. So looks like zinc and zinc compounds are quite effective for ulcers. Since their thesis is also that these compounds also cause "inhibition of gastric acid secretion", I am assuming that they can also help us with our reflux symptoms.

hmmm . . . Guess it could. Though perhaps the effects would be less given that we would likely be using lower doses than in the studies?? I think you upset the balance of copper and manganese if you take high dose zinc on more than a short term basis too. Though, for starters all we're trying to find out is can zinc reduce our symptoms - then if it did we would want to refine things. Also, unlike ppis, you can get zinc in low dose tablets, so it would be much easier to follow a tapered reducing dose. So perhaps anyone trying it should bear in mind that a rebound is theoretically possible and aim to taper off carefully . . . me thinks ....

MMM

mudmagnetmum, thanks for the outstanding research on the net..great information

best wishes
mt

I've got hold of some zinc carnosine to try now. Here's hoping....

I've also dug around the Internet a bit more. Seems that the zinc carnosine product used I Japan for stomach ulcers is called POLAPREZINC. It is a compound of zinc histidine and zinc carnosine and somewhere it says that zinc carnosine is released and stays in the stomach..

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/july2001_report_available_01.html
This ref talks about it - ignore the stuff (about something else) on the left; it's in the shaded box on the right.

If you understand chemistry, this is a link to the formula!

http://www.chemblink.com/products/107667-60-7.htm

I wish we had access to information showing exactly what treatments other countries use for GERD - this Japanese 'drug' is very interesting!

MMM