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Posted 3/28/2013 7:16 AM (GMT 0)
Chris, so sorry you had a bad visit with your GP today. My hug goes out to you! You know, I too suffer from anxiety too and panic attacks ever since I had a vicious vertigo attack almost 3 years ago. Since that time I've been off balance and had dizzy spells for a year after that. I had anxiety that i would pass out so my doc gave me a prescription for Xanax for the panic attacks. I never took one because I was afraid I might get addicted to it. And for some reason since my gastritis illness I haven't had any panic attacks. Tummywoes offers some good advice. I would ask for the Xanax and cut it up in small pieces and take a tiny bit. I think it would definitely help with the anxiety. Also, when I brought up the weight loss to my GP she immediately ordered CT scans, ultrasounds and bloodwork to rule out anything else. I think if you request that it will put your mind at ease a little.
I am like you that i have good and bad days. We have to remain positive and keep pushing through. Do you have kids? Iknow it can be hard dealing with this when you have little ones to take of.
Please try to relax and get some rest during your vacation.
Posted 3/28/2013 11:14 AM (GMT 0)
smhair  CHRIS, I WOULD NOT START BACK ON THE PPI.......I WOULD GO GET SOME ZANTAC AND GIVE IT A FEW DAYS LIKE WILLOVERCOME SUGGESTED.  IF YOU TRY A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS, IT WILL BE HARDER TO KNOW JUST EXACTLY IS WORKING.   OR JUST TRY GAVISCON AND NOTHING ELSE , THEN IF IT DOESN'T HELP YOU, GO TO ZANTAC. 

AH HA, A ENGINEER.....I HAVE WORKED WITH YOUR BREED MY WHOLE WORKING CAREER.  i WORKED IN AEROSPACE, SALES AND CUSTOMER SUPPORT, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY YEARS AGO WHEN I WORKED AT MEMOREX TO RELOCATE TO SILICON VALLEY, BUT HAD TO PASS SINCE THE KIDS WERE STILL IN SCHOOL AND ALL.

SMALL WORLD, HUH?

ON NATITC'S RESPONSE, VERY BRAVE TO HAVE THOSE TESTS........NOT ME!.....I DON'T MIND THE ULTRASOUNDS, BUT AM VERY NERVOUS about CT SCANS.......THE DOC WOULD HAVE TO LAY NEXT TO ME IN THAT TUNNEL, NO WAY! smhair ........I THINK I WAS LUCKY THAT I DID NOT HAVE THAT HPYLORI STUFF!

LET US KNOW HOW YOU DO, AND PUT THAT PPI IN THE BACK OF THE CUPBOARD......;)

HUGS TO U!

Posted 3/28/2013 6:16 PM (GMT 0)
Chris

As Gale has said go with one or two things only to see what works. I strongly suggest you go with zantac at least first week. Zantac has no severe(and nothing whatsoever known to me) side effect. And then gradually you can wean it off. My sister still think all the weird symptoms i experienced were due to premenopause but i don't have it anymore right after i stopped the ppi and moreover, you are a man, man! How can you have menopause? lol

You wil be alright. You will see. Be a good boy and trust your cheer leaders.
Posted 3/28/2013 6:25 PM (GMT 0)
Willovercome, I agree!

What do sister's know anyway? I am so past the hormone thingy ;)
Posted 3/28/2013 8:34 PM (GMT 0)
EJ, Gail, I have been a good boy.  Did not take aciphex this morning.  

I am feeling half decent today.  Still slept for only 4 hours but heartburn is minimal and my mood is ok.  Just talked to a naturopathic doc and their approach is just so much more soothing than traditional MDs.  I have a tentative appointment with her next week during my time off.  She was a bit shocked that my GP had not ordered a C. diff test yet since I was complaining AFTER the antibiotic treatment.

Also bought a bottle of Gaviscon just in case. :)

Posted 3/28/2013 9:13 PM (GMT 0)
 

GOOD FOR YOU!....I WISH I HAD ONE OF THOSE HERE IN MY AREA, BUT NONE ;(

LET ME KNOW WHAT THEY SUGGEST.

GLAD YOU ARE HAVING A DECENT DAY, I AM STRESSING BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO SHOPPING FOR SUNDAY DINNER, UCK!

i AM PUTTING IT OFF UNTIL TOMORROW MORNING.....

I HOPE YOU AND YOURS HAVE A HAPPY EASTER AND THE BUNNY IS GOOD TO YOU.....DON'T EAT TOO MUCH SEE'S CANDY....YUM

HAVE TO GO THERE TOO TO GET SOME TREATS FOR COMPANY. turn  

 DID YOU GET THE ZANTAC?

Posted 3/28/2013 10:15 PM (GMT 0)
wow this thread has been so alive since I been gone. How is everyone I hope each and everyone of you are doing okay. I am doing okay as well I guess. I am just confused about why when I get heart burn its so mild feeling but I get mine after I eating I don't know if its chronic or not. But mine is under the bottom of my middle chest it feels like heat and sometimes it feels cold. Its really weird because I been eating better like when I wake up I have a breakfast shake is it because the fruits are not organic? is that what's causing my heartburn? I do not understand do we have to eat a organic diet some of us can't afford that haha. I have taken 2 zantac so far but it was like whenever I need it. I am not really using the gaviscon because I think I am using it wrong. Honestly I am just glad we all are off those crazy PPI. My biggest fear is developing stricture because since he said my esophagus was irritated is anyone else irritated and do you know how to heal it? I ordered some mankua honey and aloe vera juice so i am take teaspoon before a meal because i heard it coats the esophagus I am just scared of any future damage? haha. Also I read somewhere that sugar is really bad for us because it increases acid production in our bodies did anyone else cut sugar out?

I cut out salsa, coffee, tea ( I wish I can still drink this any recommendations?, Milk (has anyone found a really good milk, I take my vitamins but i love the taste of it haha), and carbs (very limited except rice I love that), limited the preservatives and fake food citrus except lemons but thats from time to time.

Take it easy everyone.

Post Edited (inpinkagony) : 3/28/2013 4:19:15 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/28/2013 10:56 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Pink,

All of us suffer different symptoms.  I don't have heartburn as you know it, but I get like a sore stomach??....you might try Gaviscon before you eat, it makes a barrier in the stomach.  I got the chewable pills, take one, chew it up, have a glass of water. Thats it.  It should help.

The honey should help.  Don't know about the Aloe. I got some Aloe Juice too, but have not taken it, I am so afraid I may be allergic to it.

If you are making smoothies with fresh fruit, sometimes fruit is full of acid and can upset you too.  Try  maybe some canned fruit instead.  No way will I change to organic.  wayyyy too expensive.  I miss my morning coffee alot, and drink tea instead, gotta have some caffeine somewhere ;)

I would think taking zantac on a regular basis would help you heal faster.

Have a good night. ;)

Posted 3/28/2013 10:59 PM (GMT 0)
Hahaha I think that's probably the problem, I think I am take the gaviscon before the dinner because usually I take the liquid form after dinner but thank you so much for your in take and haha I found alternatives. I never been coffee lover but tea is something I can't give up completely haha.

Haha same here I am scared of taking aloe vera juice because I am afraid I am allergic as well. I guess I will stick with my honey.

Have good night love!
Posted 4/1/2013 3:41 AM (GMT 0)
Hi EJ, how are you? Today is my sixth day of not being on aciphex. Been having really minor heartburn here and there. Nothing crazy. Not even sure if it's truly acid rebound. Just checking to see how you are doing off the ppis.

Pink, how are you dealing with your heartburn?
Posted 4/1/2013 6:49 PM (GMT 0)
Chris.
No problemo! Hasta la vista, baby to ppi and zantac and any drug! Perfecto!
Good to hear you only have a minor heartburn.
How is Your other symptoms? I had had also magnesium defiencey related upper back pain but it's getting better, too. That thing was a poison, man! Lol

I think I saw that you are going to have a ultra sound somewhere... I may be mistaken. Isn't that what you have 'before' you get endoscopy? It shows not really much. When you already had endoscopy it seems like waste of money. If you are worried about other serious problem you may go on to ct scan instead. But then, for the big Cs that can be found by ct scan image is often useless because it means it's too late a docotor said.(hard to read ct scan image to find that kind of things. it's not like colored or something)

To me, your weight loss seems to due to not eating properly. I told you about my dad. He is still losing and he is perfectly cancer free.(keeping Regular check up)We went on to alaska glacier cruise last spring together and two out of 5 of us were sea sick and all, he was enjoying the ride so much and even said the boat ride should be more choppy to enjoy propery! Is he becoming sea dog, now? Lol
He is been around the world(you name a country) until he practically has no new place to go all after he had a surgery. He just doesn't eat much.
Your weight may not come back. so what? That isn't the point, isn't it?Concentrate your energy to get back to your happy life instead.
You owe that to you and your family, dude.
And you can do it. I beleive in ya. I feel it.

Keep it up!:)
Posted 4/1/2013 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
EJ, yeah so far no major heartburn. I will say that I feel a little bit more bloated and stomach feels a bit more distended than when I was on the ppi. My appetite isn't great but when I start eating, I seem to be able to keep eating. I think I managed to gain a 1lb or 2lb back. My other symptoms (insomnia and muscle weakness) haven't really improved, to be honest.

I met with a chinese doctor yesterday just to see what he says. After listening carefully for over an hour, he told me that my initial problem might have been indigestion due to stress and my poor diet. He said that I made the mistake of not changing my diet and continuing to overeat. Then I made things worse by taking the hydrochloric acid supplement, effectively burning up my stomach. Then the PPI and the triple therapy may have screwed up my digestion system even more and right now, I am suffering from a messed up digestion system+malnutrition+anxiety. He told me that damage can be done quickly but it takes time to repair things. He told me to concentrate on getting my digestion back in order and eating nutritiously and I will gradually see my symptoms improve. Not saying I believe him wholeheartedly but it doesn't seem far-fetched.

Here's where I am conflicted. In order for me to get my digestion back on track, I need to probably get off PPIs sooner than later and eat a little bit more. But if I eat a little bit more, that's going to tax a stomach that is still injured. So in order to give my stomach a little bit of a break, the reduction in the acid from the PPIs might do that. But the PPIs may cause me to not absorb some of the critical minerals. Pros and Cons. It's hard.

As far as the ultrasound, it is because my last set of bloodwork showed one number higher than usual. Lipase came in at 111 U/L with the lab reference range at 0-59 U/L. So I am a little under twice the upper range. But this range differs so much, depending on who you ask. Webmd says the upper limit is 120U/L and Cigna (I think an HMO) says the limit is 140U/L. And medication and GI inflammation (which I obviously have) can make this number slightly higher. I highly doubt they will find anything beyond a possible gall stone or two.
Posted 4/1/2013 10:39 PM (GMT 0)
 

Well, I just lost my entire post.  grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

As far as the Chinese Dr., I think he told you everything you already knew?

What did he suggest to "fix" your digestive track????

I had a ultrasound last summer from the (bad) Dr. and they said it was fine.

It was for prevention only  I expect my new Dr. will send me for another one, which is fine.  I wonder if a case of gallstones can make you feel like this?

I looked on the net and they can cause a person to have all kinds of problems.

But, there are folks that have theirs removed and still have problems?????

I have been so wiped out today, tired, sleepy.  Got a little lightheaded earlier today.....god, I hope my anxiety is not coming back.....used to feel like that when I was dealing with the anxiety, not a good feeling.  I have eaten more than usual today which is good, now if I could just get some pep back.....argh!

Did it rain up your way yesterday?  It was cloudy/sunny cool but beautiful here.

 

Posted 4/2/2013 12:02 AM (GMT 0)
It sure did rain here yesterday. It rained on and off today as well. It's nice and beautiful here as well. Have you ever been in SF Bay?

Yeah, the Chinese Dr. pretty much told me pretty much everything I suspected. Two things he was implying were (that I don't necessarily agree with):
1. I didn't really have GERD but once I was dx'ed with it and entered the medical system, then the thing kind of evolved into a whole different matter (This is actually somewhat similar to what Pinkinagony was saying. That she never had heartburn until she actually got dx'ed with GERD and started taking PPIs).
2. The HCl was really a bad move on my part. I don't know if I believe that or not, but I do know that things got 10 times worse starting that night and I haven't been the same.

His suggestion was to start taking his herbal supplements, which is suppose to be good for overall digestive health. I bought two bottles ($10 a piece) but haven't started taking it yet. I don't even know if I ever will. I just bought it out of guilt to be honest because he was so nice and attentive.

Well, you had guests over, didn't you? That's going to be a physical and an emotional burden. If you can get a good night sleep, I'll bet you'll feel much better tomorrow.

By the way, do you remember how your ultrasound went? Is there a doctor present or is it just the ultrasound technician? Mine is tomorrow at 2:30PM. Will post how it goes afterwards. Like I said, I am not expecting much. If anything, I am more afraid of them not finding anything at all and my doctor ordering additional tests. Every test and the time it takes to schedule it, wait for it, it's a torture all on its own. If I can just get all the test done in one day ...............
Posted 4/2/2013 1:00 AM (GMT 0)
 WHOA!   be careful with the supplements you bought (herbal)

check out every ingredient on the net, some of them can truly be dangerous.

Sometimes the staff at the Natural food stores have a person who is educated in herbs and could take a look at them for you???

Do you really think taking the HCL for one night could have caused all this??

I sure am glad I did not get any and take them......whew!

The Ultrasound took maybe 20 minutes tops.  I was just with the technican.

 did ask him how long he had been doing this, he said like 17 years, so then I relaxed.......They do press on your abdomen pretty hard with the reader thingy, which was annoying.   Of course they wont tell you anything they see......bummer.  The only thing I hated was having to lay perfectly flat on the table..........so I asked him to raise the head a bit and he did.  The table was so skinny, I felt I would fall off of it!!!!.......

 

I did start putting a tiny amount of the fiber that is clear and tasteless in my tea today.  I think I was  yousing too much when I tried it before?  I would like to get off the prune juice, because I think it causes me cramping.  we will see.

 

Yes, I saw the weather report and it showed all the clouds up your way...my fiancés son lives in San Jose area, so we always check weather there too.

Posted 4/2/2013 1:02 AM (GMT 0)
Hey everyone, I been having some bad days lately. I gave in and called my doctor today asking him that I am having chronic heartburn after anything I eat and it would stay there all day. I was just concerned if I had like food allergies or something but I am just like scared of worsening my irritation and developing strictures. He tells me to take zantac twice a day 150mg a day for 6 months and I just went silent for minute (in my head I screamed like I am feeling all these weird symptoms because all the heavy meds for 4 months I have been changing so much of my digestive system over all.) I told him I would not take the pills and he said I mean you are not going to develop stricture or anything so calm down. I am just constantly in worry word of whats happening to my esophagus since I feel the burn all day after I eat and what's funny its the good foods I changed my diet and I am still having trouble. I want to see another doctor by my insurance doesn't pay too much. Hmmmm. I am just confused it makes me not want to eat sometimes but I know I have to but I just don't want to feel the burn, and my burn is not like really hot one but its there and I notice it and it freaks me out and its 7 days a week right after i eat until I sleep (goes away briefly once I start eating again) starts in my stomach but that one has become weak and than you know the heartburn in mid chest. Any ideas anyone? I think I would be crazy if I go another doctor I have to wait until next year for my benefits to kick in again.

I also asked him is it because I have like loose valve you know how some people have on that is loose he says yeah... and like I do not even remember what he says because he confuses me more every time I talk to him... LOL Is that the case or does anyone know how to tell if you have loose one?

I bought like vitamins and slippry and honey( for some reason this doesn't help), aloe vera, and all the stuff online says you have to eat so you can heal or coat the esophagus and as well help the healing and reduce the episodes but my episodes are still there. I hope I can get some answers from here.


Good luck everyone.

Post Edited (inpinkagony) : 4/1/2013 7:06:26 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/2/2013 1:07 AM (GMT 0)
Chris Please do not go back on the pills they just make everything worse. Eat smaller, Eat less and early and take the suppliments like the tummie said read some I get mine gelatine forms but like you said I do not even use them. Haha we are both wasting so much money for answers we can never find. Good luck
Posted 4/2/2013 1:26 AM (GMT 0)
 

Pink,

Have you tried Zantac before?  If not, maybe you should give it a try?

If you are having heartburn all day, I certainly would.  Maybe worrying has made it worse.  I know that is half my problem, worrying all the time.  grrrrr...

Years ago, when my husband was  still alive and having issues with diabetic sores, we were told to get Manuka honey to put on them, at the time, it was not available here, and I ordered it from some place I think in Australia??

But, it did help cure up the sores, evidently it is good for numerous things!

Have you begun to take it yet?  who knows it may be good for you!

Hope you are feeling better tomorrow. 

Posted 4/2/2013 1:40 AM (GMT 0)
Tummie I had to take zantac twice a day when I came off the PPI for like 2wice a day for 10 days which made rebound feel so much better. Now I just have like mild heartburn I mean scaled 1-10 of pain its 2 but the prob its ever so constant you know?

Oh I got this one online but I do not know if it will help. I read somewhere ppi gives so many weird symptoms destroying good bacteria, enzymes, develop food allergies, and more I was on it for long time from mid October to Late Jan. I really think the protonix and the prisloec gave these weird things and I just need find a way to cure my digestive system to how used to be where I am having heartburn once week LOL.

Thank you, I shall try!
Posted 4/2/2013 1:58 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Chris,
I also went to the Chinese doctor myself and got some herbal supplements. I had to cook them though and drank them in liquid form. I think they did help me. They tasted very awful though like dirt. The last few days I was trying to drop the Zantac as well. Now I am taking it every other day. So far my tummy and my throat are not bad. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
Posted 4/2/2013 2:17 AM (GMT 0)
Pink,

Maybe you should take 1 zantac per day, maybe it would kick the heartburn?

I know I was having pains this am, thought oh no, its my heart!

But I realized I was just full of gas!......I am so glad I never started the Protronix the Dr. wanted me to take!......after being on this board, I realize I would have had more problems.

Now if I would just start gaining some pounds, I would settle for ounces right now.  I am due back at the Dr. in 2 weeks and really am scared about the weigh in......guess I will have to break down and weigh myself here at home, but so far I have not.......afraid I will just worry more! smhair

Posted 4/2/2013 3:58 AM (GMT 0)
Roah (Pink), my problem is that I think I am not eating enough. And I get anxious about the weight loss so it's hard for me to eat less. I am going to be honest. I came very close to taking aciphex tonight. All of sudden, I am having anxiety about not taking them. My acid rebound is happening not in the form of heartburn (I really never had them), but in terms of pressure and lump in the throat feeling. I have to say those aspects were better when I was on aciphex. It's hard either way. I just want to feel normal again.

Vivian, my Chinese herbal supplement come in this tiny pellet form. I have to take 8 pellets per each meal. It's easy enough to take. My concern is doing too much at once. I might keep them around in case the supplements don't work.
Posted 4/2/2013 3:07 PM (GMT 0)
Hi all,
I am just wondering if anyone of you also get pain on your left shoulder and going down your left arm. I don't get it all the time and yet last night I had it again. Thanks.
Posted 4/2/2013 3:21 PM (GMT 0)
I wouldn't call it pain but yes, I do get funny numb sensation in my left arm from time to time. It could be a secondary issue, I suspect from being deficient in something. Possible circulatory problems. Do you sleep on your side by any chance.
Posted 4/2/2013 3:28 PM (GMT 0)
I get that too.....hummmm

I figure it is circulation, usually when I have been in the same position for a long time.   I think mine starts in my neck (computer) and then goes down my arm.

I used to get that at work a lot doing data entry all day. 

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