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Posted 3/19/2013 11:11 PM (GMT 0)
my heartburn got worse yesterday it was on fire all day yesterday and today before it was just constant heat that i felt after i ate,but i think thats because i wasn't taken the gaviscon right and i starved myself or maybe the milk teas i had as well made it worse i heard calcium carbonate which is in my almond milk increases acid production after temperately relieving it. so I am just gonna take my vitamins now and hope fore the best and when i get off completely i shall have my fav foods in moderation. because i was depressed but today i shall not do that anymore one day at time.
Posted 3/20/2013 12:38 AM (GMT 0)
Take one as soon as you wake up and 30-60 min later have a breakfast. Take one 30min before you go to bed. Easy fizzy.

I don't seem to need any aid at all since i started 150 at night only. Hope this continues when i stop it altogether at the end of this week. I may even try 75 at night only tomorrow....

Good to see you in good spirit.
Welcome back to earth, skipper. :)
Posted 3/20/2013 3:33 AM (GMT 0)
haha I know one day at time. its just sad we have to give up so much, so how am I suppose to know when its working? i know since I was on this thing for 4 months mine might take a lil longer gosh it hurt so much but i will try to suffer for the next two weeks with 150mg 2wice a day, I am just scared of the irritation being to my esophagus are you gonna go back and do endoscopy again?

also sometimes after certain foods I have like these semi-sour taste I wonder if thats telling me that food is acidic? but funny thing is it happened after i had the ys bee farm raw unprocessed honey organic kind snit honey suppose to alkalizing LOL?

I am just glad to have you walk me thru this, I just hope one I get to enjoy a turkey sandwhich again. its funny how this happened to us when we didnt even know we had it LOL
Posted 3/20/2013 2:24 PM (GMT 0)
so first day on zanatac twice a day and I feel a little better let's hope I can make it through this devilish ride.
decided to take the enzymes and probiotics after i get off the zantac because it does not allow me to absorb them if I am on h2 blockers

but i really need to do something about healing the irritation in my esophagus any suggestions? so far I am on slippery elm and dgl and honey, i want to try aloe vera but i feel like i might be allergic LOL or any suggestions to increase the bowel movements I noticed h2 blockers causeconstipation LOL

oh willovercome, do you take your gaviscon after the heartburn or before when you are about to eat something that will bother you LOL
Posted 3/20/2013 5:27 PM (GMT 0)
so after starting my medicine I can still feel my heat thing in my stomach and the back of my back, I wonder what's really causing this, hmmm.. I will try and do this thing but I really feel the pills had impaired my digestion in general giving me so many different types of symptoms, and maybe food allergies if I am reacting like this?

GERD means chronic maybe its chronic dyspepsia?
Posted 3/21/2013 12:11 AM (GMT 0)
Bear with it. Remember it takes time. You wil be cleaned out of all chemicals in due time. Then your body will find the balance to run it smoothly. Ppi causes magnasium diffincency which may cause upper back pain. That also takes time to go away since you were on the ppi so long.
I have not noticed constipation with h2 blocker but everyone is different. Maybe it's just because you eat so small.

Gaviscon after eating.
Keep it up. Cheers.
Posted 3/21/2013 3:13 AM (GMT 0)
you really have been my rock, i will keep you posted I feel like we are on epic battle together haha!
but you know what sucks forgot all about my gerd because all of sudden i got a tooth ache that had me in severe pain i was sleeping all day battling this, I think I might have to go to the dentist haha!
Posted 3/21/2013 3:15 AM (GMT 0)
how is your progress yet? have you stepped down to 75 mg yet? :)
Posted 3/22/2013 1:44 PM (GMT 0)
 

Hi, I am new here, but after reading your posts, I felt this is a good place to share my problems with so called "gastritis" per doctor.  He also put me on Zantac 75 twice a day.  It seemed to help at first, but still had no appetite, alot of constipation, and of course weight loss from not eating.

Dr. did complete blood work and tested for the Pylori thing, (negative).

Blood work was fine.  When I realized y weight was down from last summer, I freaked, because I am thin anyway!.....This all started for me around xmas time, the belching, fullness, etc.  But, I wasent losing my appetite at all.  I also did not have the stomach cramping like I have now.

I took the Zantac for a couple weeks as directed, but was suffering with being constipated all the time, and no appetite, so I took myself off of them all together.  I forgot to mention that the Dr. wanted me to take Protonix 40mg, but I refused due to all the side effects.

The RX is still at Walgrens, not picked up.  This is the end of the first week without Zantac, and I really don't feel much better. 

Alot of you mention Gaviscon,and I wonder if I should try some?

I am only taking Tums, when I can hear my tummy gurgle and I know I have air in there.  Maybe Gaviscon would help me to eliminate these ucky symptoms I have.  My stomach just hurts alot, take a Tylenol, it feels better??    I know if I call the Dr. again, he will tell me to take a PPI, and I really don't want to.  I just want to gain some weight back and have a appetite.  I started on Enzymes (plant) a couple days ago and have some diahrea also, so don't know if it is the Enzymes or the prune juice I have been taking for constipation, which seems to have let up since I quit the zantac.........sorry for the long post, but I am so tired of feeling crappy and worry about what brought all this on?????

Posted 3/22/2013 5:37 PM (GMT 0)
Tummywoes,
Maybe your constipation is due to eating small meals and not regularly. Everyone is different because I have never had constipation with zantac but inpinkagony has it so... Btw It is a good decision not to start ppi. Good for you. I wish i had known!

It sounds like your stomach pain is different from gerd if you feel like taking painkiller. Painkillers other than tylenol hurt stomach more, you know.(tylenol hurt liver so can't be good either when you are taking some other medicine)

We have to rule out some things first.
Have you had endoscopy done?
Have you get your blood checked to see if your gallbladder, liver, pancreas are working fine?
Are you sure it's not appendicitis? Some appendicitis is not acute, they said.
If you rule out everything i said but still have pain,
is it squeezing tight? It could be stomach spasmodic thing. Ask your doctor about antispasmodics drug in that case. Again all drug had down sides but if it is spasmodic thing that meds works great. One or two days would solve the problem. Of course it's prescription drug. You see, I went to ER before my endoscopy appointment because of it and they couldn't find anything wrong with me.
I had some anti spasmodic pills i got from from my neuro doctor friend in my home and when i came home i called him to make sure and took only one and that cured it.

After endoscopy i asked my doctor if I could take the pill if the that type of pain ever happened agin separate from gerd symptom she said 'it makes sense' and said yes.
Self medication is BAD and i don't normally do that(and i did call my doctor friend though it wasn't his specialty) but i was right after all in this case and I could have saved $370(ER fee after insurance) for nothing anyway! lol

sometimes stomach behave weirdly for no good reason(meaning doctors don't know why)

First, rule out somethings. And then ask again. I will be here for you to help as much i can.

Gaviscon is strictly for gerd. It forms protection cover so that acid wouldn't come up but you don't sound like you are having acid reflux. Do you mean heartburn by 'Hurt'

Roah,
It's my 5th day. I went out for lunch yesterday in nice japanese restaurant. I ate about quarter of my bento but it was great. No episode.(last time, before the second attack i had a lunch there)
I am still on 150 at night. Will reduce to 75 next week couple of days and stop to see what happens. Good thing that we can take Zantac when we need it only unlike ppi.

How's your toothache? When it rains it pours, right? Poor thing.
Cheers!
Posted 3/22/2013 6:46 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for all the info. I have not had a scope done, but all my blood work was good, and no Pylori. No I do not have hearburn, but will have some reflux once in awhile. Alot of weird little pains, and gurgleing, will see how I feel today after a couple doses of Gaviscon. My appetite has been so off because of this, and of course I am concerned about losing any more weight, more worry, which doesn't help either!
Posted 3/24/2013 4:08 PM (GMT 0)
tummywoes: I really think it's your gastritis and the side effect from the pills you were on, I am still suffering from the side effects of my PPI I don't know if its the acid rebound for me or its just gonna be like this for the rest of my life, for now I eat in small portions so I don't cause frequent episodes of reflexes, I am going to wait out the next two months and see if the burning after eating in my stomach will ever go away because this is the only side effect that I got after the pills and seem not to go away as well as the chest tightness/pressure I never had these two symptoms in the first place. I think I had regurgitation as well but it stopped because I started eating smaller. But in your case if you do not have the scope done then you must not know what's going on because it sounds like gastritis that has not been cured. You need to go talk to your doctor about it. My story I had gastritis and I got on carnival ride and than I came off with inflamed esophagus. I went to the doctor has scope done said i needed to take protnix for 4-6 weeks he was bad doctor never told me what my results were so I continuously took the ppi to be safe because I was unsure of what I had. I went to new doctor because i had to wait for my health benefits to kick back in and they did. When I saw the new doc he said I didn't have Gerd but i would experience the rebound and wanted me off the protnix immediately and I did and said counter attack it by taking zantac 150mg twice a day for 10 days which I did. Then I stopped everything all together and that's when I experienced heartburn for the first time in my life as well as the other side effect. I don't still believe I have GERD because something doesn't sit right with me but I am still eating healthier just in case until I see another doctor. Hope it helps and see doctor soon, loosing weight sucks I should know.


Willovercome: Sounds nice, I wish I went out and had Japanese lunch but i been afraid to get close to people again, since I do not feel like myself anymore. I mean my friends say they understand but I doubt they will until we really hang out and they feel the effects of it you know? I am at young age so people in there 20"s just want to eat up life, which I don't blame them but my ideas have changed according to my limited options because of my new illness.

Yeah I think its swollen gum or something went to the dentist and said teeth are fine but the pain should go away within 10 days but my problem is the swelling will not go down I feel like I dislocated my jaw.
Posted 3/24/2013 11:18 PM (GMT 0)
Inpinkagony, I was just thinking about you and this thread today and see that you posted so I had to respond.

There is a lot of similarity between you and me. I too never had the "burning feeling" but was told that I had gerd. Then, it was changed to inflammation of esophagus, stomach and duodenum after an endoscopy. I guess my point is that it doesnt really matter what they call it, you and I have problems with our upper gi tracts. You have the burning and I have the lump in throat with nausea. Its possible that one is related to the other and also can change suddenly, making things confusing as hell. I had what you might call indigestion for like 2 months, but I was eating great and appetite was normal. Then, for a month, the lump in throat, slightest burn in the esophagus began. Still, I could eat. Then I got frustrated and took betaine hcl (4 pills in a day) thinking I was suffering from low acid. Guess what? Not sure if it is coincidence but that very same night, everything got worse. My whole inside started burning, I woke up in the middle of the night sweating with my heart racing. I lost my appetite the next day and started to lose weight too. I have not been quite the same since and that was nearly 4 weeks ago. Do not take hcl if you have gastritis. The extra acid will hurt your already injured stomach more. I agree that ppis have their own issues as your digestion can also be compromised, leading to all kinds of secondary issues but my biggest regret so far has been taking the hcl tablets out of desperation.

Just try eating healthy. Im not sure if I am imagining but I cut out gluten from my diet today and my symptoms seem to be a bit better. Good luck, im pulling for you.
Posted 3/25/2013 2:00 AM (GMT 0)
 

Hi Chris,

Glad I didn't get the hcl tablets, I also was convinced my problem was not enough acid since I am over 65.  But I did not take them.  I did get the enzymes for digestion, but the 2 days I took them, I had diarhea....so quit those too.

So, I kicked the zantac, and the tums and went for Gaviscon, took it twice during the day for 2 days, along with Tylenol for the pain in my gut.  Today I actually ate like a normal person, only took Tylenol today, no Gaviscon.  I am hoping the worst is over and I can gain back some weight from this 3 month distress!

I even made dinner! and intend to eat it too!  ;)  I think in my case, alot of the distress is nerves and worry.  I need to relax and quit the worry, my stomach is more than likely a ball of nerves! smhair   

Posted 3/25/2013 2:55 AM (GMT 0)
tummywoes, keep my posted regarding your process.  :-)

EJ, is gaviscon good for esophageal discomfort too?

I don't think it's acid coming per se but my esophagus is just irritated and everytime it has to push stuff down, it probably gets irritated.  The endless parade of pills I had to swallow down for my triple therapy probably didn't help, either.

Posted 3/25/2013 6:08 AM (GMT 0)
Roah,

Take a look at this link and quote
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-magnesium-deficiency-symptoms.htm

"In terms of physical symptoms of magnesium deficiency, there is a good chance that a person with inadequate levels of magnesium will experience a wide range of aches and pains. Cramps in the legs are often present, along with a sense of stiffness in the neck. Symptoms of magnesium deficiency may also include pain in the jaw that seems to appear for no reason. Tension headaches may become more frequent. In some people, a feeling of tightness in the chest will be one magnesium deficiency symptom, although this particular sign may come and go."

http://www.migralex.com/safety-alert-prilosec-and-other-similar-drugs-ppis-cause-magnesium-deficiency/
"Safety alert: Prilosec and other similar drugs (PPIs) cause magnesium deficiency"

Maybe it is not really your teeth but jaw? Hmmmmmm.

Chris,
Unfortunately i haven't tried gaviscon, yet.
It is my last resort :) , back up plan, because i am now done with all the drug. Scary huh? Haha
But since gaviscon forms some sort of barrier so that acid won't come up it will help if you feel uncomfortable at your esophagus area. It will prevent acid thus help healing but won't heal it directly, as you might know already.

They say esophagus is amazingly flexible(enough so some people won't notice even when they do have real lump there) so i doubt pills themselves hurt that bad.(though i admit i hate to swallow anything too!) It probably is still sensitive from irritation you had but not compelelty healed. Esophagus is not supposed to be exposed to the acid 'at all' so it is very sensitive to 'any' acid.

Btw, Have you tried to humidify your bedroom? You may try to sooth it directly that way. Hang some wet towels when you go to bed. I know you are not LPR but when you breath both of the pipes get affected, you know. I don't know, it seemed to help me at night. Breathing easy, keep your pipes moist.

Try gaviscon. it seems satisfactin rate is pretty high. Let me know how it taste! Lol
Good luck.

Post Edited (Willovercome) : 3/25/2013 12:11:25 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/25/2013 12:24 PM (GMT 0)
HI ALL,

I GOT THE GAVISCON CHEWABLES (CHERRY). THEY SORT OF GET FOAMY IN YOUR MOUTH AS YOU CHEW THEM, THEYDIRECT TO DRINK SOME WATER AFTER YOU CHEW THEM.  tHEY ARE NOT BAD AT ALL.  jUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY DO FOAM UP A LITTLE ;).......WHO CARES IF THEY WORK....tHEY ALSO HAVE LIQUID YOU COULD TRY, BUT i COULDNT FIND THE CHERRY FLAVOR.

iT COULD BIND YOU UP A LITTLE, SO MAY WANT TO TAKE A STOOL SOFTENER OR SOME PRUNE JUICE.  (PRUNE JUICE WORKS FOR ME)  .....HAVE A GOOD DAY cool

 

Posted 3/25/2013 7:00 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks a bunch. Mine is liquid one. They keep saying mint is not good for the reflux and make this kind taste mint. I am a bit confused. Well...
Posted 3/26/2013 5:11 PM (GMT 0)
Well guys and gals, after going through another week of mysterious non-GI symptoms such as insomnia, poor body temperature regulation, night sweats, vivid dreams, anxiety, depression, muscle fatigue, flu-like symptoms without the fever, intermittent numbness of fingers, pins and needle feeling, I think I am going crazy.  I have had GERD symptoms since November but all these non-GI stuff started happening, coincidentally after I visited the doctor and started on prilosec and then visit with the GI doc changing me to Aciphex.  Who knows?  Perhaps, my stomach was just getting worse and worse and right about when I started seeing the doctors, that's when it got to a tipping point but I just can't imagine that a stomach issue can cause all this, but it has. 

Yesterday, I did seem research online and also decided to read the piece of paper that was attached to my Aciphex bottle.  That piece of paper actually folded out to a giant poster size manual.  LOL.  Anyway, there is a warning about possibility of magnesium deficiency while on Aciphex and other ppis.  When I looked into magnesium deficiency, I got a lot of match with the symptoms that I just described.  I don't know but I think while the PPI's keeping my acid level down (my stomach feels much better for sure), but it's causing other problems.

I feel like I need to stop taking Aciphex but I know what my GI doc's going to say.  He's going to say that I have not been on it long enough to have serious side effect and that I need to stay on it to give my stomach a chance to heal.  I feel like I am stuck between a rock and hard place here. 

Posted 3/26/2013 5:37 PM (GMT 0)

chris,

If your symptoms do match a defiency in magnesium, I would call your Dr. and explain this to him.  Maybe he would want you to supplement for it?

If you are like me and read the side effects on everything you plan to take, including RX's, sometimes I talk myself out of medication because of the side effects.

Sometimes I know I should not do this, but I do.

I feel we are all in charge of our own medical health and doctors do not always have the time to do alot of research involving their patients.  But, I know a little knowledge off the internet can be dangerous too.  We all research, I think it is a smart thing to do, however, we can almost learn too much, causing our Dr. to think we are just pesty.   My old Dr. of 30 years, used to call me "Doctor".....LOL

Put out a call and at least see what he says about this.

Hang in there my friend. 

Posted 3/26/2013 7:00 PM (GMT 0)
Well, tummywoes. I certainly know where you are coming from and I am sure the doctors are sick of many of us coming in, acting like doctors because of this thing called the internet.

But the thing in my case is that when I explained my symptoms to my doctor, they were so quick to dismiss it, as in let's just wait and see if things will get better. I don't know but that's just not good enough for me. If they don't want me playing doctor, they should explain things in a logical manner that makes sense. Of course, I want to trust both of my doctors who seem not concerned at all and perhaps their lack of concern is actually a good thing since it may indicate that my condition isn't that serious.

But if you haven't had a night of sleep more than 6 hours in a month (and never continuously more than 3 hours) and you feel like you can't walk more than a few blocks when you used to run for miles, then I also think it's reasonable to expect some explanation from these professionals.
Posted 3/26/2013 7:14 PM (GMT 0)
OH, I totally agree!

I moved recently and had to pick a new doctor in the area, I left my old doctor of at least 25 years  ;(......hard to replace that!

The doctor I picked was wrong!....My first visit went fine, and I thought I may stay with him.....then when the stomach thing started back in December, I went to see him in January for help.  First thing they do is weigh you in and he said oh, you have lost some weight since last summer.....like 5 or 6 lbs.  No big deal I thought to myself.  All he did was order a slew of "tests" including CT scans of 3 different areas of my body including my head????  I was dismissed with 6 or 7 tests and he never examined my stomach or even discussed it!  I was furious!

Back to the doctor search again.  I have now found a compassionate doctor who also has another doctor with him, they are both very good and I feel comfortable with them both.  He said he may have me have a ultra sound of the abdomen, but is not pushing all the scary tests down my throat.  They do take the time to discuss issues which I appreciate.

Even now that my stomach seems to have calmed down a bit, I still worry like all of us do that I could have some horrible thing wrong.

I hope I am wrong and start to gain some weight.   I will not weigh, because I am afraid it will be less  .pretty crazy, huh?

Maybe you should find a new doctor that you can talk to??

Posted 3/26/2013 7:21 PM (GMT 0)
Chris chris chris
Where were you all this time? What do you think i have been talking about all this time? Look right up there, my links. It's all about magnasium deficiency. Have i been speaking Mayan language or something?
As you know, I weaned off my ppi with zantac lowering little by little over two weeks(docotr wanted me to go with 300mg all the way) and now i am drug free for second day. Feeling great.

Once you stop the ppi you would notice your mood change only couple of days later. Trust me. I was amazed.

My docotor did agree with me to go off the ppi, yes, but she WAS reluctant, not really believing me. You have to be persuasive, man. It's your body and you have spyed with your own little eyes that you don't have anything but just a little gastritis. Stopping ppi now won't kill you. How do you think all this people before ppi was in the market have coped with the gerd?

Also you should be ready to have heartburn for about a week with zantac only but bear with it. And then, all the weird symptoms gone you will ride to the next week in much better condition.

Don't ask, Tell him that you are going to stop ppi. You don't need a permission. Again, it's your body.
Posted 3/26/2013 7:58 PM (GMT 0)
Tummywoes, my GP is a good doc.  Everytime I visit his office, I leave the office in a better mood than I came in with.  It's my GI specialist who is a #$%^$.  He wasn't even the specialist that my GP referred me to.  The guy who my GP wanted me to see wasn't available until 3/20 when I called on 2/20 to make an appointment.  Because I was such a nervous wreck, I took the first available appointment from any of the other 5 doctors in the same practice.  So that's how I ended up with my current GI.  Maybe he was free because he has a hard time retaining patients.   Who knows?

Some good came out since I was able to meet with him on 2/28 and then through God's grace, was able to squeeze into a cancellation for an endoscopy on 3/4, finding out that I just had gastritis.  Otherwise, I could still be sitting here thinking that I have stomach cancer waiting for an endoscopy in mid April.

But I digress.  Yes, I will try to find another GI specialist.

Posted 3/26/2013 8:08 PM (GMT 0)
Good, your GP can refer one for you if you feel unhappy.

I have not had the scope and hope I don't have to, uck, GAG! ;)Have you also lost weight with your bout??......My appetite was off for several weeks, and just now starting to come back.  So hopefully, I can get some weight back before I have to go back to the Dr.

Hey I think both of us need to quit worrying so much, what do you think?

Hard to do when you feel so "off"......but we can bounce all this off each other, it helps to talk to someone who is also having the same symptoms.

Where are you located?  I am in Calif.

 

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