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Posted 5/7/2010 6:31 PM (GMT 0)
Hello to all,

I am hoping by putting my symptoms on here I may get more information about the above subject.

Over the past few years I have been getting a Hives rash. I discovered after some time that the trigger to it is muscle fatigue. I went to a dermatology specialist a couple of years ago who told me that what I had was called Physical Urticaria and the cause was exercise.

I had a break from going to the gym due to this and thought that would be the best option.

However I am now wanting to get fit and improve my fitness. However I still have the Hives problem.
The only thing is I have read and studied on the internet about Physical Urticaria and what it says is not the cause of mine.

I can exercise with no signs or symptoms of Hives and I do not have a problem whilst exercising. My hives start approximately 24hrs after I have been to the gym, when my muscles are aching that sets the hives off, when my muscles are fatigued from the workout.

I am currently awaiting results from a skin biopsy to see if that identifys anything.

I have been told that it's rare what I have and at the moment it is being put down to an Urticarial type of rash. However due to the fact of this and because dermotologists have found the symptoms to be strange I am starting to think that there is an underlying issue which paints the full picture. I have spoken to people that have basically good knowledge about the human body and most have said that it sounds more like an issue with my muscles or immune system which is causing the hives rash.

The hives rash when it is happening makes me wheeze and can also make me feel tired and short of breath.

If anyone on here knows of any information that may assist me then please let me know.
Thankyou for taking the time to read.
Posted 5/7/2010 11:23 PM (GMT 0)
Do you use anything or drink anything special after your workout?
Maybe it's an allergic reaction?

Joy
Posted 5/8/2010 9:13 AM (GMT 0)
Hello,

Thanks for the reply. I do eat and drink afterwards yes, However I know myself that it has nothing to do with food or ingredients of any food etc. I eat all types of food whether working out or not and I have never got the reaction at any time whilst doing so and I have no symptoms at all.

It seems to be a reaction to something that is happening whilst I am recovering from the workout the next day, But on reading about Physical Urticaria it doesn't seem to fit that diagnosis.

I think its an issue or problem with my immune system or muscles, maybe something to do with lactic acid build up in the muscle i don't know.

It is strange that the Doctors (dermatology) think it is very rare and most have said they havn't heard of these symptoms before but they seem to make a quick diagnosis of Urticaria when other avenues have not been investigated which to me doesn't make sense as it could be an underlying issue and may be something serious.

The symptoms could well be related to a muscle problem or something to do with my immune / nervous systems but nothing has been investigated and it looks like urticaria so send the patient to a dermotologist.

I don't think its an allergic reaction to anything to be honest with you. I have had blood tests that have been negative for everything relating to allergies.

I may post my topic under different forum titles as someone may be able to help if it something else other than urticaria.

Thanks

 

Posted 5/9/2010 12:25 AM (GMT 0)
good luck.

Joy
Posted 5/10/2010 3:03 PM (GMT 0)
Actually Hook, it may be a mast cell disorder. I broke out in hives every time I worked out. It was my only known trigger. I would also break out in hives for absolutely no reason. I went to the allergist who had some experience with mastocytosis so she ordered a tryptase blood test (tests the amount of histamine in your blood). I was 7x the normal level. I had a bone marrow biopsy (not as bad as you think) and it confirmed that I had systemic mastocytosis. Now, after being on meds for a year, I can work out without any issues. Ask your allergist.
Posted 6/26/2010 12:34 AM (GMT 0)
Hey man sometimes it can be heat related. But also try drinking a lot of water, you may be dehydrated and working out is only making you more dehydrated. One more thing if you dirnk protein after working out, it can cause an allergic reaction of hives. This is because of the whey protein found in protein powders. Mostly I would suggest drinking a lot of water, dehydration caused me to break out in hives.
Posted 7/6/2010 5:19 AM (GMT 0)
Hook, Sorry you're experiencing this. I don't have an answer, but as a chronic hive sufferer I just wanted to let you know you're not totally alone. They haven't figured mine out at all.

Out of curiosity - what do your hives look like? Where do you get them? Many at a time? Just interested if they're anything like what I experience.

As for the dermatologists - I'm not very excited about derms. I've not been impressed with the ones I've dealt with. (Sorry to any good ones out there - but that's my personal experience).

I did have better luck talking with an allergist - but in the end, he stopped trying when he couldn't find a neat and tidy answer for my hives. I'm about to see a rheumatologist/immunologist for my fibromyalgia issues and may see if he has any leads on this hive issue of mine. If I learn anything useful, I'll come back and post. Meanwhile, please keep us posted on what you discover.

Oh - side note - but hives can be a symptom for people with gluten intolerance or celiacs disease. Not saying you sound like it - but it is a stone to turn over.

That's a very interesting bit of info, SpottedFoxx. Thanks for sharing that I'm going to have to google more about this tomorrow.

SpottedFoxx said...
Actually Hook, it may be a mast cell disorder. I broke out in hives every time I worked out. It was my only known trigger. I would also break out in hives for absolutely no reason. I went to the allergist who had some experience with mastocytosis so she ordered a tryptase blood test (tests the amount of histamine in your blood). I was 7x the normal level. I had a bone marrow biopsy (not as bad as you think) and it confirmed that I had systemic mastocytosis. Now, after being on meds for a year, I can work out without any issues. Ask your allergist.

Posted 7/31/2010 4:54 PM (GMT 0)
Hello All,

I don't know why it has done this but my username has changed from Hook to Korda.

Anyhow just an update. I have had a skin biopsy and they have taken ages to get back to me. They have said that the skin results confirm that it medically resembles Urticaria, what this means I don't know.

Foxx thanks for the advice about the mass cell disorder that could be something to look into.

I am still waiting to get an appointment with the derm who did the biopsy. I think I will go back to my GP and get a referral to somebody else.

Thanks for the advice
Posted 8/1/2010 7:53 AM (GMT 0)
Hello there
My son is suffering from hives since last year and I am quite bothered since he is only 14 yrs. Old and often it comes out whenever he feels hot inside the classroom.At times it appears locally, at times almost all over. He had been using antihistamines as prescribed by doctors. However just two days ago His school physician recommended an allergologist /allergist to check on him.
He was diagnosed having urticaria mainly on heat.the allergist told him not to eat cheese,tomatoes,vinegar and spices.as they may promote the inflammation /wheals though it may not be the cause of hives. . .
Additionally, the allergist said that urticaria may be a false response of the body to any underlying condition and we agreed to have series of lab tests which was done just yesterday.we did urinalysis since it can be used to trace forms of bacteria or sugar level as diabetes runs in the blood,too.we also did xray for chest since he had history of primary complex when he was toddler,he was also extracted some cc of blood for tsh and freet4 examination to trace thyroid condition....fecalysis will be done soon maybe later or tomorrow to trace if there might be some parasitic cause.....
He was given medication of levocetirizine for two weeks as antihistamine and montelukast as anti-inflammatory for two weeks also.not to be taken with water cause it is inert when ingested with water so maybe juice or milk.
Tomorrow,the allergist will read the results and I'm hoping to see a light upon the situation..hoping that we will be able to trace where the problem lies and target the cure and choopey hives goodbye.
I will keep posted whatever readings there will be so others may refer to it as it may hopefully be of help to anyone in this forum...
So to everyone suffering from hives, don't forget to drink your antihistamine and anti-inflammatory, keep away from your allergens ESP if u know them keep you room clean and dust free and drink 8 glasses of water and to keep your skin moisturized use cetaphil lotion (quite expensive here in our place) three times a day.,wear face mask if you are the cleaner. . . And don't forget to be monitored by your preferred allergist and kiss your hives bye-bye....thanks for reading...life is too short to pout on it.be happy and as my son always says.."ma,every morning when I wake up I tell myself that hopefully Hives won't show up today." and from that statement he'll leap from the bed and be happy all thru the day.....
Posted 8/1/2010 1:33 PM (GMT 0)
>montelukast as anti-inflammatory for two weeks also.not to be taken with water cause it is inert when ingested with water so maybe juice or milk.<

Where did this come from ? I have searched all over the web and nowhere does it say Singulair (montelulast) is inert if taken with water.(nor did my Dr) I have taken it for my Urticaria for over 11 months now along with Zyzal (levocetirizine),Allegra,Claritin,etc and none of it has worked well. I still have it and have to augment from time to time with Prednisone. I am just now starting Xolair.
I surely hope it works but getting rid of this stuff MAY not be easy. Check out the Urticaria group on Yahoo groups and you will see. It is a very active group and some people have had this stuff for years (as it looks like I will) Along with the everyday discussion you will find a wealth of information including drugs,skin tests,blood tests,etc...everything you need to know about Urticaria.
Again I sincerely hope this is a short time thing for your son but if not you have another source to check.
Dick
Posted 8/1/2010 9:42 PM (GMT 0)
It seems they are doing a lot of tests for him.I don't seem to be taken serious with my symptoms.antihistamines do not work for me.I think i will go backto my dr and see what he says about going to a different specialist.
Posted 1/31/2011 1:55 PM (GMT 0)
Well Well Well,,,, I am back to square one!!! I am now taking 360 mg Of Fexofenadine, 20mg of Cetrizine Hydrochloride and a montelukast tablet, at various times of the day. Nothing is working!!!!


Can somebody shed any light on this. Can you only get a skin rash by Histamine being released? The reason I ask this is because I don't think histamine is causing my hives rash!!! My specialist has told me that my symptoms are extremely rare and throughout his career and personal study with Urticaria he has never come across it the way that I get hives. To me I have an underlying problem in my body which is either a nervous system problem and auto immune disease or a muscle disease. My skin biopsy came back to confirm it was Urticaria, so how do they come back with that conclusion? It looks like urticaria but the symptoms don't match any of the Urticaria types.

I am soon to start contacting the papers and magazines to see If a specialist / professor out there wants to do a full investigation and rule out other things for me. I just can't believe that other tests have not been done with my very rare symptoms.

I am sure somebody out there would like to investigate this issue that I have.
Posted 2/1/2011 3:21 PM (GMT 0)
my syptoms are after every meal and small meals...extreme fatigue, joint pain, and swelling, and shortness of breathe..il start with just that...Ive been eatin small portion meals every two hours for a while now an my symptoms lessond please exuse my spelling. so i tried process of elimination strated with fruit all day and still experienced symptoms with white or whole wheat products basically everything!!! is doing this to me But i started relising after a salad was the worse i thought a salad how much healthier can i get so i cut out the olive oil an just did salad an vinegar no salt an it still got me lol so the last was just salad and olive oil and it was sucessfull i was starvin but i got no symptoms.....i googled what the hell is in vinegar lol and it stressed hight in sulfites well ive been researchin an sulfites is in amolst everythin and its naturally in foods..my allergist was clueless when i brought this to them
Posted 2/12/2011 12:16 AM (GMT 0)
I have totally divorced myself from Western medicine unless it is absolutely necessary. It is so aggressive, and violent. My immune attacks me so I get put on Predisone - which essentially is a drug that is attacking back! Predisone and anti-biotics whilst short term have been useful (especially at the peak of my first Reactive Arthritis flare up) have led to so many other complications and issues. And basically unless its life threatening I dont go there anymore. Not with any pharmaceuticals. I actually find also my home natural remedies work a hell of a lot better, and have positive side effects for more body instead of the long list of negative ones. Anyone whos been on Pred knows what Im talking about

SO here are some NATURAL ANTIHISTAMINES FOR HIVES RELIEF>

This combination contains a broad range of antihistamine compounds, and is likely to bring relief to anyone suffering from hives, regardless of the cause. Combine roughly equal parts basil, fennel seed, oregano, and tarragon, with two parts each chamomile and regular tea leaves. Steep in nearly-boiling water for about ten minutes.This can be drunk sweetened with a little honey, or several cups can be added to a bath for a soothing soak — or better yet, sip a cup of this tea while in the soothing bath!!!! But make sure its not too hot or it might aggravate you more!

Chamomile is one of the best antihistamine herbal remedies, but those with ragweed allergies shouldn't use it, as it may only make the allergic reaction worse. It is followed closely, however, by oregano, and then by rue. Beyond those three, almost as effective are basil, echinacea, fennel, fig, ginkgo, grapefruit, passionflower, tarragon, tea, thyme, and yarrow. My experience of these is that used fresh straight from a pot or a garden bed makes them SO much more effective. I think moving towards natural supplements in pills and powders instead of whole food forms has been our biggest mistake. And the companies selling us these products I think don’t want us to figure it out! Or they’d be broke.

Apart from chronic hives, and regular lip swelling I also have reactive arthritis, an auto immune problem and nothing works on my joint pain like a fresh comfrey leaf ironed between two pieces of kitchen paper and applied directly too the swollen joint and bandaged up. Comfrey is one of the easiest herbs to grow, the more leaf you harvest the more it grows! And it will thrive in the same spot for years. It’s a fantastic all round cure all, and great for compost health and liquid feed as it is chock full of minerals. Herbs in this form are more alive and thus more full of the good stuff we want from them. Get growing!
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