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Posted 3/25/2007 12:11 AM (GMT 0)
Lyn, I don't think the original question was really about juice. The guy complained of having severe headaches, being cold, sweaty, and pale after mentioning he'd just stopped taking clonazapam.
Posted 3/25/2007 7:50 AM (GMT 0)
something i just noticed as i was eating a banana and looking in the mirror to see if i could see my headache. yes see it, pounding so bad, i thought for sure i could see it moving in the mirror but i couldn't. But, i did notice as i was eating the bananana the exact area where i have headaches on my temples moves in and out when im chewing or does it do that for everyone . Does the temple are contract when you move your mouth?
Posted 3/25/2007 8:34 AM (GMT 0)
I just clinched my teeth, and yes, I could feel muscles or tendons moving around very near my temples on both sides.
Posted 3/25/2007 5:25 PM (GMT 0)
I did the same and my temples do move as well when chewing ........
LYN
Posted 3/25/2007 7:09 PM (GMT 0)
Those kind of headaches are either caused by tension or TMJ (basically a misaligned bite). People with anxiety (myself included) often unknowingly clench their jaws, especially at night. This will definitly cause headaches.
Posted 3/26/2007 1:37 AM (GMT 0)

debaser said...

Things had reached a crisis point and it was an easy decision.

"Nonchalant" doesn't describe me at ALL. So, yeah, I'm familiar with the dependency issue. Most people don't seem to have a problem with it if they are disciplined and taper properly, it seems. Maybe there are some that have trouble even if they do everything right, but I'll take my chances. Anyway, I educated myself, weighed my options, and made an informed decision.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's good you're here offering an alternative viewpoint. But please be careful that you don't scare everyone half to death. Mods, pardon me if that statement was out of line, but that's the way I feel. In general I think people are overmedicated, but this anxiety stuff is a bona fide monster. It will consume you. We need help however we can get it, basically.

i apologize if i scare anyone by what i said of my own continuing experience ... i will only say that a person can only make an informed decision if they've experienced it first hand, for themselves ... please forgive my seeming argumentativeness, but i hope to, in some way, deter someone from doing that to themselves ...

again, forgive the "scare" and "argumentativeness" ... don't wish to be offensive ... just be careful ... be mighty careful ...

speak with a minimum of 5 pharmacists about benzos as well as psychotherapists about them ...

will keep a prayer for you over this issue ... i surely hope that it's all that you expect it to be (or not to be) ...

Posted 3/26/2007 1:48 AM (GMT 0)

hopeful82 said...
Sudio, are you trying to tell all of us who have taken benzo's for quite some time and have been helped tremendously by it to stop and start using homeopathic remedies? I agree with you debaser, we appreciate alternative viewpoints but telling people they need to "beware" and switch to something natural is not right. There are plenty of people who can successfully handle taking a benzo, and the others who cannot, well thats their choice then to find something different. While yes you must exercise some amount of caution, there is nothing wrong with benzodiazepines as a means to curb anxiety, period.

surely, i would've outright said "switch from benzos to homeopathic" if that's what i meant ... i'm sorry that there was a misread in my direct approach to this matter ... i'm certainly not a benzo advocate, but would like to dissuade someone who is in the decision making mode of whether to use them or not ... if it's already been put into motion after extensive research, then it was a chance taken ... there should be more than just some amount of caution when taking a drug like a benzo ... again, just an opinion and will say nothing more ...

it surely is a drug that needs to be reverently feared ... this comes from someone who does not possess an addictive personality ... go figure, 'eh?

Posted 3/26/2007 4:11 AM (GMT 0)
i know i don't clench my jaw though so not sure , i don't notice other peoples temples moving when eating , mine moves around the whole area in and out, it almost looked stupid
Posted 3/26/2007 4:46 AM (GMT 0)
Well, everyone's anatomy is a little different. I just clenched my jaw to see for sure what the muscles and tendons were doing in there. I'm not a doctor but unless you're experiencing a lot of discomfort I'd try not to think about it. If you can't get your mind off of it see a doctor.
Posted 3/26/2007 3:08 PM (GMT 0)
everyone's temples move when they eat, thats where your major muscles that control your jaw are connected - check out an anatomy book, that might be helpful.
Posted 3/26/2007 7:57 PM (GMT 0)
PLease
Let us for the rest of those reading this thread do not keep saying how bad the benzo's are
like posted I was on valium and/or Ativan every day a couple times daily for over 30 plus yrs and I stopped taking them for a few days and now even leave them at home when I go out to places I had major panic attacks
I have no problem with that at all
I know only take as needed but that is not how some ( most) HAVE to have them to function daily and try to get some hold on the A/P that is ruining their day to day lives
What may be right for you ......just may not ( for me ) and others be right and this scares ppl that are starting or have been taking them
I honestly do not think that is necessay.........
Posted 3/27/2007 1:40 AM (GMT 0)
I wholeheartedly agree.

It's a decision that must be made between doctor and patient. Everyone is different, physiologically and psychologically. I've read way too many anecdotal reports by people who've improved their lives by using benzodiazepines. Millions of people have used them...so, yeah, there are going to be a few cases in which people had trouble coming off. There have been documented cases of people spontaneously bursting into flames, too.

The numbers are pretty clear on the issue. To be on the safe side, I think people who take drugs like this NEED to have a good and attentive doctor. As long as they do, chances are they're going to be perfectly fine. It's all about ensuring that you get quality medical care.
Posted 3/27/2007 3:32 AM (GMT 0)
no ive asked several people to do it and their temples did not move nor have the people i have observed
Posted 3/27/2007 3:37 AM (GMT 0)

ttwarrior1 said...
no ive asked several people to do it and their temples did not move nor have the people i have observed

http://connection.lww.com/products/stedmansmedict/primal/primal_4.jpg
Posted 3/27/2007 1:05 PM (GMT 0)
TT, I promise you that everyone has movement in their temple when they eat, the major muscle that controls your jaw is attached there. Here are some helpful informational sites about it, including how it can cause TMJ and headaches.

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec08/ch116/ch116a.html

http://face-and-emotion.com/dataface/anatomy/anatomy.jsp
Posted 3/27/2007 1:45 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Sis for the input

You 2 debaser ........
Posted 3/27/2007 5:01 PM (GMT 0)
okay maybe it does move slightly in everyone, but on me, it looks absolutely stupid, and my temples almost come out one inch, its not the temples, but right next to it, right exactly where i have headaches. Maybe i have tmj, i don't clench my jaw,

Should i be able to touch my top back teeth with my bottom teeth? I can't. Just wondered about that. And does anyone know if the nerve next to the ears runs up to that area where im having headaches or a chart, thanks
Posted 3/27/2007 5:08 PM (GMT 0)
You very well could be doing the jaw clenching at night as alot of ppl do ......Just a thought
As far as the nerves to head yes we have them from everywhere and I would believe the nerves are also going to where you have headaches ......from your ears to head
It may all be a sinus thing as well not sure but all that is for sure inclusive
I never had a sinus headache or problems with in 53 yrs till this yr .go figure ..
Hope things get beter for you ....
Posted 3/28/2007 6:45 PM (GMT 0)
yes doc has prescribed many things and none of the meds seem to work, for sinus or headache, except sometimes clonozapam.

Im thinking about doing an intestinal cleanse , and cleanse my whole body out. i heard that can be bad too while its detoxing
Posted 3/28/2007 7:08 PM (GMT 0)
I am sorry nothing has worked other than the clonazapam

I wish you all the best in your quest it looks like you have done much thinking and researching into the " cleansing"
I would love to see how it goes for you

Be well
LYN
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