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Posted 9/25/2010 4:17 AM (GMT 0)
I take my MTX as injections to save the old guts. I don't drink.

Post Edited By Moderator (SydneyJo) : 9/25/2010 3:46:13 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/27/2010 10:05 PM (GMT 0)
Oh well lets just make it public record that I celebrated my 50th birthday this past weekend and I said to hell with the dangers of MTX and alcohol! I just found my new favorite drink. It is Espresso Van Gogh Vodka that has double caffiene.

Woohoo!

However I am now done with my little tirade and will not drink again until Thanksgiving or my change to Orencia whichever comes first.
Posted 11/9/2010 10:02 PM (GMT 0)
Darn-nobody said anything to me about not drinking MTX, but my bottle does say not to. So do most antibiotics, actually. I intend on continuing having a glass of wine in the evening if I can; if it bothers me--well, I guess I won't. I've stopped drinking beer for awhile b/c trying to see if gluten free helps RA, but I do enjoy a relaxing glass of wine. I want to be as healthy as I can, but I also want to live!

West Girl
Posted 11/15/2010 10:02 PM (GMT 0)
West Girl, just make sure you have regular blood work done, especially tests relating to the liver. Trying to avoid drinking around the day you dose MTX is a very good idea, MTX has a reasonably short half-life in the body so after 4 or 5 days, drinking should be fine (or at least, better).
Posted 11/16/2010 6:20 PM (GMT 0)
ARRGGHH! I have finally found a study which I think points to the fact that it is no more dangerous to drink just because you take MTX and I have scanned it into my computer and turned retarted (do not mean to offend anyone who has mental retardation in the family) I cannot for the life of me get it into a format I can copy and paste. Please go to this url and tell me what your interpretation is. Thanks!

http://acr.confex/acr/2009/webprogram/Paper13773.html

I believe this is a reputable source and it is recent to boot! I am so excited!

Posted 11/17/2010 4:40 PM (GMT 0)
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Posted 11/18/2010 6:00 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Weary, Just posting here to let you know I have seen the post and I will read through it and get back to you soon!

EDIT: There is no domain on the URL you posted (.com .org etc) and as such my browser cannot display it!
Posted 11/18/2010 6:43 PM (GMT 0)
Crap

I copied everything that printed in the right corner
There is a .com but early on
http://acr.confex.com
then behind the .com/acr/2009/webprogram/Paper13773.html

It's a presentation of Prevalence of Alcohol Consumption among Rheumatoid Arthritis Patients of Methotrexate.

maybe if you fool around typing some of the words in it will find it?
Posted 11/18/2010 7:41 PM (GMT 0)
(I added a .com to the URL you pasted and it works, thanks)

I'm both surprised and impressed, I will be showing this to my Rheumy (who never really bothered about alcohol abstinence anyway).

What really caught my attention was "After adjusting for gender and age, a general linear model showed MTX drinkers tended to have lower BMIs, a shorter disease duration, less pain and better physical function than those who abstained."

Ironically, this means that alcohol and MTX is better than just MTX in the treatment of RA! The problem with this kind of study is that it's very difficult to control (i.e remove bias and adjust results for other influencing factors) and nigh on impossible to blind. That said, the analysis seems to me to be quite legit, and very promising. Thanks for sharing Weary!

I have since stopped taking MTX completely, as I felt Enbrel was doing a good enough job alone, but it's nice to know my scotch habit was actually _helping_ my condition, ha.

Jay
Posted 11/18/2010 11:12 PM (GMT 0)
I agree that the study has some weaknesses but it was done by the American College of Rheumatology which impresses me. I went on their website and it's got some interesting info there.

I do have a low BMI, my disease is a lot more controlled than most people and I do feel less pain when I'm drinking LOL!

Honestly what the study says is what I've always felt in my gut. Abstaining because you are on MTX is a big hype. In fact on this same website I read that although MTX has the ability to increase your liver enzyme levels and cause damage- the incidence of that occurring is very low.

CHEERS!

Glad Enbrel alone seems to be doing the trick for you!
Posted 11/19/2010 12:05 AM (GMT 0)
Weary I asked my reumy about the alcohol last time I saw her and she said some alcohol can flare RA because of its acidity? Was anything said about what type of alcohol was drunk?
I think white wine is no good while red is ok??? Thought that was interesting, she said to drink in moderation is fine, just don't binge!
I'd stick with your mtx, golitho
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