Fraud pain people

I was wondering if it's me or is it a feeling that everyone else has ? When i go to my pain doctor its a all day affair. I have always loved watching people and body language. Now all of us in pain know how we act, move, and talk while we are in pain. Picture a standing room only waiting room and
watching how people who claim to be in pain : move, walk, bend over etc.
I always engage in conversation with the ones who appear to be fine and it's amazing why they are there. i have even look at their mri films and the enclosed report and after seeing both if I could kick them in the rear-end out the door trust me if I could I would. These scamers are all there for the narcotics and we who
can't stand, have a hard painful time moving have to wait hours while these people hassle the Doctors to get their narcotics.
One guy asked me what i was taking which was years ago vicodan with durgestic patches plus i told him i only come every six weeks so my script back then was for a real lot of pills. This guy waited for for for hours till i left the doctors office he then offered me $ 12.00 per pill which i accepted and told him to meet me in one hour at my pharmacy.
I was in Law Enforcement prior to my accident and all my sibling 11 of them are all police officers so i called them and my local police department and
asked that they attend my meeting with this scum bag. Since my accident I look like a old hippie so this guy met with me in the drug store parking lot with a fist full of money but was troubled by my driver who i told him the truth --he is my brother. A long story short this guy was a repeat offender and is doing time in a State prison.
Does anyone else see what i see in their Pain Specialist office ??

All I know is that I hate waiting in there. My doctor's office routine is to wait to see the doctor, then go in to see her, then come back out and wait until they call you back up to the desk to give you your prescriptions and make you another appointment. Well I don't mind so much waiting my turn to see the doctor, but I resent having to wait up to an hour last time for the girl to check me out AFTER I had already seen the doctor. That was ridiculous! And I let her know it too.

Don't get me started, Tom.

Lindaloo

I guess I am lucky my PM doc doesnt keep me waiting too awefull long and they always have my scrip ready when i walk out the door as he is typing it in when we are talking and so i just have to walk out and they pull it off the printer. BUT what I cant stand is when there are dozen more patients sitting there and those dam drug salesreps come in carrying donuts or lunch or cookies,, and the receptionists calls them by name takes them right back to the docs office and then we all get to wait another half hour. Shouldnt they make appointments too and shouldnt htey come after hours or before hours ! that is just a bunch of bull !!

Way to go Tom. I am with you on this one. My appts are nearly an all day thing, because its a 60 mile roundtrip for me. I do always get there a little early mainly so I can rest some. Riding in the car is still one thing that bothers me, I become very stiff when I sit.

My drs that I see do not deal with the drug reps at all. They have the office manager meet with all the reps, which I think is great. Most of them only will see a drug rep on a certain day and at a certain time, so yes, many of these reps are on a schedule. Yes, I have seen the reps come & go with their goodies or even a lunch. If my dr has time he may grab a bite in between patients.

I have sat in my pain drs office many times and I do enjoy people watching. I tell you, there are some that come thru there that I really wonder about. It just goes with the territory I guess, but it sure can get under my skin. Especially the ones that their eyes are like pin points, those always get kicked out by the dr. The nurses always pick up on it real quick and they always alarm the dr about it too. He is a very good dr but he knows too when someone is trying to get a free ride. Hugs to all, Susie  

Only us CPP's would understand that chairs really ARE a big deal, aren't they? A lot of times when I hesitate to go even to a family outting it's because I either know the chairs are poor or I don't know what they'll be like. Especially outdoor gatherings in the summer, when it's usually picnic tables and lawn chairs. But waiting in a doc's office - I always think, especially with the ortho's or neuro's or pm doc's they ought to know to select the best chairs for their waiting rooms.

PaLady

Hi, I just wanted to respond to Tom's post about people not "looking" or "acting" like their in pain...I have had chronic flank/kidney pain since 98 and you'd never know by "looking" at me! #1. I've been in this pain for 10 years and have learned to "adapt" and "adjust"...anyone else would probably be in fetal position and screaming, but I have built a "tolerance" to it after so many years (of course with the help of medication (Norco 10/325 up to 6/day)<that is my ONLY medication (don't even take over the counter meds..) #2. Not everyone is there for "back pain or limb pain"...my pain is "visceral" which is deep kidney pain...it doesn't change or affect what type of chair I sit in or if I'm standing... I feel for people with back pain or limb pain but that's not ALL types of pain...I don't appreciate being "judged" by patients as we are "judged" by our dr's already..that's the last thing we need. I just feel we should all mind our own business as I would never "judge" or take time out of my VERY BUSY life to even think about someone else's problems...especially at our pain dr's office! I am a nurse and have worked in pain management and currently work in Obgyn and so I have been on both sides...I just think that "pain" is each person's individual business and the Dr.surely is a professional and we should let him make all the "decisons" regarding what medication is prescribed...we dont need "vigilante's in the waiting room"...I suggest next time someone approaches you about buying pills say "I don't get prescribed narcotics"...why would you tell anyone what medication you take? Again, that is between you and the dr...AND some patients, not all, don't even get narcotics....are you just "assuming"? Pain management doesn't necessarily mean "narcotics"...I don't tell ANYONE what medication I take (except my husband and my Dr.) not even family members....my kids think I take "kidney pills" or "asprin"...or "spirin"<like in the birdcage(the movie) it's "asprin with the A and S scratched off..."Ha Ha!

Hi Port: Seems like I angered You ? Ever watch another patient get up off who of those "chairs" after sitting for over 30 minutes? I make noise and have to pull myself up with my walker or cane. Ever watch a magazine fall on the floor and watch another patient easily bend over and pick it up ? Ever watch other patients get in and out of their car's ? Ever watch them while their checking out or making another appointment ? I have good days where I can train and work with my dogs and walk with a cane but I can't bend over, can't sit for more than a few minutes, when i get out of my Van i have a really hard time and make some type of noise from the pain. After my appointment with my Pain Doc Iam usually sweating and can bearly stand up. I have friends and neighbors
under pain management and we all agree that half the patients in my and their Pain doctors office should be investigated and the major cause of problems with pharmacies and eating up time and space for people like us in our Docs office who really need help and have to wait week/months just for a appointment. Then there is the insurance company who suspect all of us of being frauds despite what our MRI's and test show.
As to talking about my medicine I feel it's the same as what I am doing right now "sharing" my pain, complications, stories of depression, pain meds and how they effect me and-- who - who in terms of what specialists they are seeing. While passing time and being cordial I /we find spending time at any Dr's office can be a great source of information.
Almost forgot I spent a couple of hours in the Pain Docs office with a young guy who moved around like I used to before my accident while speaking to him he told me
he suffered from back pain and was taking Vicodan ES, every four hrs plus Soma for sleep. When he got called for his appointment all of a sudden he developed a limp and walked bent over !!!!!!!!!!!!! When he was checking out he had a bunch of scripts and a smile. about three days later i was doing my turtle walk with my dogs and I spotted him playing basketball !!! running, jumping, pushing and shoving !!! Just is one one example i could go on and on. Also, I trust my family and friends and tell them everything I take God forbid should I have a reaction at least they would know what I am taking and know what to do.
again sorry if i angered You. Best regards, Tom

I'm one of those that suffer in quiet most of the time because I look younger than I am. I just wish I could be treated more seriously by my doctors and want y'all to know looking and sounding younger is not something to go looking for, most days I walk with a limp, I've had plenty of mri's showing what they say is arthritis and believe me thats no fun. Yet by looking at me you'd say no way, your too young. It makes it hard...
My PM doc waiting time sometimes has been for four hours, so y'all are lucky if you get early than that.
Here's to hopeing y'all get a pain free day...
Take care and soft hugz

I agree with Pam;

I too am one of those quiet ones. I do not have to use a walker or a cane though there are days I wish I had one. I cannot stand for more then 4 minutes. Cannot walk more then a block, cannot sit for more then 5 minutes, cannot lay down for more the 3. Tom you can't judge someone by how they walk into the doc office, or how they get out of their car. Pain is individual.....it affects people a different way then others. I don't like to be "Judged" or "Thought less of" because of my pain.

Example of this is I go shopping with my husband, we park in the handicap and I am gracefully helped from the car by my husband. I do not use their handicap carts because of the fact that I feel that I have to get some sort of exercise or my legs are going to develop some atrophy if I don't. So I suck it up and walk around with my husband and get what we need and we are outta there. But here is the thing I walk very slow and by the time we are half way done with our shopping I am walking with a limp and hunched over in tremendous pain.

Ya no one would think that I am in as much pain as I state that I am, but I am in pain and to Judge me is wrong.

Tom, you are right it is true. In true reference to your post, though I dont spend a lot of time waiting at the docs office,, I do see the folks lined up out the door pacing around waiting for their scrips. It is highly suspicious. But just for the heck of it,,do a search for..say...codeine withdrawel....you may be surprised to see that the top internet search links are not info about withdrawel but in fact places to buy the drugs without a prescription...there is definately a serious problem and becaus of it we who are truly chronic pain sufferers, suffer more due to the probably hundreds of thousands abusers. It is sad.

Su

I agree with PALady, its easier to judge a book by its cover then to actually believe that they are in that much pain. Sorry if I seem a little out of sorts its the meds right now. New Muscle Relaxer is really kicking me into a fog, but at least its easing the pain from the muscles. I have completely lost control of my thought pattern now darn it! One huge side effect from so many pain meds and muscle relaxer and night meds that I feel as though my thoughts are so scattered and lost to the wind.

I think that some have a tendency to judge us as not being in pain because we can walk and do things, but alike to PA I have to take my meds before going out anywhere and usually its for short bursts. We (my husband and I) go to KS every year for Thanksgiving, its a 17 hour ride to my mother-in-laws and because of my back we are forced to break the trip up in increments. We usually have to stop every 25 miles or so that I can stretch and the trip ends with me being in so much pain that we have to get a motel room for the night.

Hey Tom...I would NEVER be angered by someone's feelings...I am far too busy with my own life and problems...just letting you know that not everyone has the same TYPE of pain. I totally understand your frustration, but again, it's not our right to try to "figure out why people are where they are and that they don't look like they "deserve" pain medications. Everyone deserves to be pain free. I believe it's a basic human right...as important as food. Without these medications, some of us would not be able to function (ie: work, taking care of children, household chores,etc) I know that without my meds I wouldn't be able to do those things...I am currently (and have been for last 6 years taking Norco (up to 6/day prn) but am trying to find a Long-acting med w/ less tylenol (tomorrow is my monthly appt) and we are going to try *oxycontin 10mg tid w/ Norco (3/day) for breakthru...I've already tried ms contin (but had stomach cramps and very little pain relief)...2 years ago we tried "methadone" but found it too sedating...so stopped that after 1 week. At my dr's office there is usually maybe only 1 or 2 other people waiting in the waiting room as we are taken directly to the room (where we can wait for about 15-20min) if he's running behind...but usually no wait at all. He spends about 30 mins going over any test results (if any done) and dictating into his "voice activated" dictation about our visit and going over any changes in medicaitons and prints prescription right off his laptop (all done in the privacy of a private room-never in front of anyone) and I always call later for my monthly follow up (I don't even have to stop to check out...I just leave) I personally have seen what you're talking about (someone looking like they were "faking" it or whatever, but again, there are professionals that are following these patients very closely (especially in cases of auto/work comp) they are actually followed (and videotaped!!) just a "heads-up" to anyone involved in these kinds of cases....they may get away with it for a while...but not long! Again, there is NOTHING ANYONE can say or anyone's opinions that would ANGER OR UPSET ME-EVER! I love everyone here...

Hi Pamela : Thanks for your post - I feel the same way with my life being turned upside down and not being able to do what I used to and You are 100% right eventually the "pain" will show especially in a person's face and eyes. I no longer look at myself in any type of reflection and hate seeing myself with a walker, cane or wheelchair for i see is the pain. After close to 10 years of living in chronic severe pain with more major surgeries then I have years ( 55)
plus spending a real lot of time in and out of hospitals and specialists offices one become somewhat a expert in pain. I do have good days and i try so hard
in public to be normal but normal never last for more than a few minutes. I really enjoy writing/ posting and reading the other Member's comments and suggestions. I do believe in miracles and everyday I have added everyone on this site in my prayers.
Before finding this internet site i basically thought that i was the only walking and talking person in severe pain and my Pain Specialist
has indicated that I am their worst patient in terms of neuro and orthopedic problems and have told my family time and time again that they do not know how I get around the way i do ( yet they still make me wait hours to see them ).
I myself hate being asked by friends, family and even my Doctors " How do You feel " ? I always respond How do i look and never get a response we simply move on and I try and stay as positive as possible given the rate of pain I am in at that time. My worst time is when I eventually fall asleep--- sleep for me is treasured until I awake then all hell breaks loose as I try and get up so I pray for long long naps. Sorry I am way off the subject and just feel like talking/ venting. Again thanks