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Posted 10/25/2012 3:36 PM (GMT 0)
Hi - I have been lurking for a while and have gotten up the courage to join.

I have severe back pain - 40 degree curvature of my spine, Degenerative Disc Disease, Oesteopenia in my hips, 2 buldging discs.

I was seeing a great Dr here in Indianapolis, IN up until this past summer, when I received a certified letter stating my Dr was retiring and they were closing the clinic. I was devastated as it took me a long time to find someone like him. Now, I am struggling to find another Dr here and my PCP will not continue to give me prescriptions. She referred me to this quack at a place called Meridian Health Management. I was excited about going but when I got there my hope quickly changed.

I was seen first by a NP, who came in an rattled off the many years she spent work with Neurologists and told me she had gone over my file and my treatment was ALL WRONG. She then proceeded to sell me on the one option for treatment they offer: suboxone. She told me how great it was and how this was a miracle drug. She told me they would admit me to detox on all my other medications (which means they lock you in a Psych unit with no way to get out, communicate). Then, they would start me on this wonderful medicine that would be much better for me. Oh, I also had to sign an agreement that I didn't plan on filing for bankruptcy. This place scared me.

I came back to work and had an appointment with my Hematologist, who told me this medication was not one he would want me on because of my hemochromatosis. This is a blood disorder. Apparently, suboxone is not good on the liver.

So, I went back to my PCP and told her my concerns. Initially, she agreed, but then when I called her for a prescription refill, she told me I should consider this new clinic. What?

So, here I am. I have been trying to find contact information for my Dr that retired to see if he had any suggestions of who I can go to. This ordeal has been a nightmare for me.

Thank you for letting me vent.
Posted 10/25/2012 3:51 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Charlotte -

Glad you joined in. :) I'm sorry you have to be here - but I hope you'll find the great support here that I have over the years.

I feel for you. I've moved before and had to change PM docs.... and, earlier this year, my PM stopped seeing patients and only doing procedures - so I switched to his partner. Starting over w/ someone is really hard. During the times where I had to search for a new PM.... I've had some AWFUL experiences, too. I've had docs want to detox me off my meds.... change everything.... on down the line. So I feel for you - I really do.

What I would do is continue calling your retired doctor to possibly get recommendations for other clinics. But also search out (online) all PM docs, including Anesthesiologists that do pain management, within an hour or so of your home. Obviously, we all want doctors that are close to home.... but, as you've seen, it's worth it to travel a little further to find the *right* doctor.

By calling some of these clinics and even talking to the front staff, you can get a sense of what the clinic is like. But it make a time or two to find the right doctor for you. I know it's very frustrating, I do. But hopefully you'll end up w/ a new doctor that will be like, or even better, than your retired doc.

Is your PCP willing to script your meds until you find a new doctor?

Hang in there.... hopefully others will offer some other words of encouragement and advice.... and keep posting and letting others support you during this time.

--Tina
Posted 10/25/2012 4:22 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for your reply, Tina.

I'm glad I have finally found a place to go where others have similar issues with chronic pain.

No, my PCP will not fill my scripts anymore. She did for a few months but she thought I would find someone in pain management by now and since the only place she referred me to is a complete joke, she has told me she is afraid of writing anymore prescriptions for me.

The thing that really gets me is she has my file from Pain Management - never an issue with appointments, random drug testing, medications. If I were a problem patient I could understand the fear but there is absolutely nothing in my files that would lead one to think I was a problem. For now I have one more months worth of scripts and then I will have none. I have called a ton of pain management Drs. and I am getting tired. I don't want to have to go through anymore injections, physical therapy, acupuncture. I am at the place where I simply need someone to manage my meds and I can't find anyone.

I am having trouble finding any contact info for my old Dr. I have done a number of searches and the email I had bounced back, so I just don't know where he went or if he is even local anymore. Maybe he moved when he retired? I don't know.
Posted 10/26/2012 1:47 AM (GMT 0)
Charlotte,

Welcome here. Sorry you need to be here, but glad you found us. You will find great sympath and empathy among this group here. You are in the proverbial rock and a hard place. You need to find a great doctor and fast, one that is in tune to your CP issues and is willing to work with you on your meds.

I can't offer any simple or fast solution, but I wish you the best as you continue to search for one. Please don't give up all hope, things can change, and things can get better for you, just hang in there

And feel free to vent anytime you want, it helps, and we all do it from time to time. It's a healthy thing to do, and you won't be judged here because of it.

Keep in touch, you are not alone in your pain.

David in SC
Posted 10/26/2012 2:46 AM (GMT 0)
I hope you can find a new doctor soon. Maybe give web MD a try. Once you do find another Doctor it will be worth the hard search. I'm on a good doctor finally. Just hang in there through this...
Many well wishes...Others will come by with better replies...
Posted 10/26/2012 4:19 AM (GMT 0)
Charlotte,

It is frustrating, I know.

Given that you only have a month's left on this script - I think I would go ahead and schedule a couple of appointments w/ PM docs in your area. I understand that you just need someone to manage your meds.... but many times, a doctor wants to hear that you are open to any suggestions. But, while you are there, you can let him know your dilemma w/ needing meds before you run out, etc.

The only other things I can think of... is broadening your search.... keep calling doctors.... make a couple of appointments....

Oh, when you explained the experience you had at the Pain Management place to your PCP - what was her suggestion? I might make an appointment to go in and talk to her about this. I would explain that you were completely uncomfortable w/ the new clinic (wanting to detox you off of all meds; suggesting a med that is incompatible w/ your blood disorder; etc). But that you are running out of time - and don't want to be w/out medication. What are her suggestions? Maybe she will agree to one more month, if you show her a list of doctors you are calling... and just showing her that you are working on it.... etc.

Good luck to you. --Tina
Posted 10/26/2012 5:56 AM (GMT 0)
Charlotte,
Welcome to HW. I think you will find this to a valuable resource and you just may be able to find a new doctor through someone here..
You may notice my signature, I also have severe scoliosis and have to take pain medications for several ailments. I have also been "offered" suboxene, it is not for pain control it is to detox you off pain medication, it is the same as a medication for alcoholics to stop drinking. I love thses doctors, and I've met many if them, that offer this great medication because they state your care is "all wrong" BUT they have no resolution as to how you are to deal with your pain after you stop all your medications ...
I can tell you this, I was on 2 x what I take now: 200mg of fentenyl, 30mg of oxycodone every 4-6 hours (8 a day) and 4 somas a day and i weigh 93 pounds. ..It's a lot I know but I am on half that now (100 mg fentenyl, I quit oxycodone and I take 3 somas a day) that is a huge decrease!
How did I do it?
For starters I found a great pain management doctor (which yes, you will have to sign a contract as to not get any other medications anywhere else)
I had to accept that the pain will never be completely gone but that I can have "managed"
I found a pain medication that is not a narcotic, you may have heard of it..Neurontin/Gabapentin, this is a great medication for the people that have these severe cases of scoliosis or nuropathy pain, dont forget the pain you feel from the scoliosis is from the nerves so it quiets the nerve from firing. I swear by this medication and my step-mother started it for her fibro and has now stopped her dalaudid, my friend takes it now for lupus and has stopped her Percocet..
Additionally, I started seeing a chiropractor, I HATED chiropractors because if, like me, you have walked out of there in more pain then when you went in..right? Well, 1st find a good one, ask around, ..2nd see one that takes x-rays in their office very important.
It takes 90 days for the spine to regenerate so the first 3 months you can have some troublesome days but if you stick it out you will have flexibility, range of motion, and just maybe be able to sit or stand without constantly rocking or shifting you feet, it's been amazing for me. I now only go 1x a month.
And last, and I didn't believe in this either,but I started the injections 1x a month (trigger point) I go with the prednisone because of my crohns dx, I can kind of kill 2 birds with one stone and their is a natural one called "Sarapin" that comes from a plant that actually looks like a Venus fly trap..it works amazing for inflammation.
Their is a resolution to all of this but I am sure that this new doctor feels she knows what is best for you, only you know what is best for you..it is your body, not hers! Right? She needs to fill your medications until you can find a new pain doctor and until then. Be stern but pleasant otherwise she can and will just cut you off, but I do not think it is unreasonable to cover you until you find a new doctor. Additionally remember it can take a few months to get into a new pain doctor because if thier demand..
I hope this helps a little, I am in the Phoenix area if that helps, I hope it does, otherwise I would put the word out on here what area you are in and need a referral..
Good luck...Really
Leslie
Posted 10/26/2012 12:05 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you, all.

I did go in and have a conversation with my PCP recently; it was about two weeks ago. I told her about my experience with this pain clinic and she initially thought it sounded odd. I told her I felt like - have any of you seen the commercial for vonage when the white couple that look absolutely perfect come to their new neighbors house and bring a bundle of phones, cable, etc. and they stand there and say, "we all bundle" in unison with each other as though they are programmed that way? This is how it felt at this pain clinic. It was really odd. After I met with the NP, the Psych Dr. came in and sat really close to me, explaining how suboxone is a miracle drug, basically repeating what the NP told me, as if in unison. He really wanted to get me into the hospital to detox badly. They kept saying, "We know you will be in bad shape for the rest of your life, we have seen your x-rays and MRIs and that you will be in pain forever, so we are going to keep you on this for pain management." When I talked to my Hematologist, he about fell out of his chair. I told him they knew I had the blood disorder. So, when I met with my PCP I told her that even he was telling me this wasn't a good treatment for me. She agreed but then when I called her last week she told me she got the report from the clinic and thought I should give it a try. It was a very strange conversation.

I had several injections over the past few years; they helped for about a week and then I went back to feeling horrible again. I went through physical therapy for about a year and also paid for acupuncture and cupping therapy out of my own pocket. I have also been on various meds over the years, most didn't work for me. I work full-time - I am not on disability, although I have thought about it more and more lately. I know it sometimes takes years.

It sounds like all of you understand what I am going through and it's a relief for me because I have really felt like no one understood what I was going through. It's been really difficult for me, especially since my PCP has always been so supportive. I am just floored that she is now refusing to help me.

I am in Indianapolis, Indiana. I don't know if there are any members here that live in my city but it would be great if there is someone that has a Dr. they can recommend.
Posted 10/26/2012 1:16 PM (GMT 0)
 

       Good morning Charlotte!...and Welcome!

         ...I have been sick all week here, and have not been around much at all...as it's not fun suffering from chronic pain and then to get sick adding more misery. shakehead

    The only comment I wanted to make was that I don't agree with the post that Suboxone is not used for pain management. Do a little research on this for yourself, and I think you will find that it is indeed used for pain management. Methadone is also used for pain management...and both have been used for "Addiction" However it is obvious that you suffer pain, that is not generated solely by pain meds.

    One thing about Suboxone, is that it cancels out the effect of other pain meds, and that would worry me, if I happened to have an accident and needed a stronger pain reliever. I also think a PM may have to write the script as off label..since it is only FDA approved for addiction. Many Dr do use it for pain management though..and it seems to work fine for many patients.

    Is it a good choice for you?...that is up to a good PCD/PM! We are all different...thats for sure!

      I too would suggest that you keep looking for a new PCD or a different PM...although it is not easy to do. I myself am in limbo here, and have been waiting on my PCD to find me a good PM. My insurance requires that I have a referral..and many of the PM's here do not take my type insurance. Again...it is not easy to just find another PM.

     I truly feel for you there...and it is a worry while searching, because your pain is real, and again because it is a possibility that you are dependent on your meds.

      Take care, and I wish you the very best in your search,

   SE

     

 

Posted 10/26/2012 1:53 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, Screaming Eagle. Sorry you have been sick. Ugh - I know the feeling.

I did some research about Suboxone and even found a Suboxone forum. I had a couple of concerns about it: 1) The clinic offered no other options for me. It was either Suboxone or Nothing. 2) Suboxone is worse on your liver than the typical Opiods. This was confirmed when my own Hematologist told me he didn't want me on Suboxone.

Even people at the Suboxone forum confirmed that if you have liver issues this drug was not appropriate. I also called this new pain clinic and left a message for the NP that I was concerned about it. She called me back but I was in a meeting. She told me they have never had patients that had liver issues while they were being treated again and again tried to sell me on it. I called back and asked them to discharge me as a patient and refund my money. By the way, I was told I had to pay $65 to even get in the door. The $65 is used towards your co-pays and other services that are not covered. They also charged me $10 when I called and left the message that I wanted to talk to the NP because I had some concerns. This place it just creepy.

Suboxone does work for some people - I don't dispute that at all. I just don't believe it is for me personally.

I am dependent on my meds and it is scary for me to think that I might have to go without. I never wanted to be dependent on them but I have been taking them for over 3 years, so my body is just used to taking them. I take them as directed, have never had to increase them and I sometimes even have some left over.

Hopefully I can find someone in Indianapolis that has a good Dr or PM.
Posted 10/26/2012 2:05 PM (GMT 0)
what was the name of the doctor that you liked and couldn't track back down, that you wanted to talk to?
i have excellent skills and resources for tracking down people, if you wish, e-mail me what you can about the dr, as much info as you have, and i will be happy to see if i can locate current contact info about him.

be happy to help you, if it would help

david in sc
Posted 10/26/2012 2:19 PM (GMT 0)

Purgatory said...
what was the name of the doctor that you liked and couldn't track back down, that you wanted to talk to?
i have excellent skills and resources for tracking down people, if you wish, e-mail me what you can about the dr, as much info as you have, and i will be happy to see if i can locate current contact info about him.

be happy to help you, if it would help

david in sc

I will email you, David. TY.
Posted 10/26/2012 2:23 PM (GMT 0)
 

     Hello again Charlotte...and thank you for the reply back!

        ...you may be correct in that in your case the Suboxone may not be for you,...I just wanted to let members know that it is used for pain control. Is it the best route to go?....well it would be last on my list. I don't think it is a good long term med for pain control...but again I know some that are using it this way and doing well on it.

   I think in your case I would want to hear why they want to try this med...and at this point I do not know what all you have been scripted for pain relief. There are a lot of options out there, but that does not mean that you will have luck with most of them either.

     Living with chronic pain presents a lot of problems these days...and Dr's under pressure to pull back on scripts is one of them....and then there is dependency ...tollerance..and meds that do not work at all. Not only do we live with pain...but we are under worry and fear as well.

      Keep looking, ...and see if you can get a straight answer as to why they are wanting you on this med.

    ...and it has been a long hard week for me..and I'm still trying to get over this cold...which has dropped down into my chest...and seems like it wants to make a home there. LOL

   Good luck!

   

Posted 10/26/2012 2:47 PM (GMT 0)

Screaming Eagle said...
Hello again Charlotte...and thank you for the reply back!

...you may be correct in that in your case the Suboxone may not be for you,...I just wanted to let members know that it is used for pain control. Is it the best route to go?....well it would be last on my list. I don't think it is a good long term med for pain control...but again I know some that are using it this way and doing well on it.

I think in your case I would want to hear why they want to try this med...and at this point I do not know what all you have been scripted for pain relief. There are a lot of options out there, but that does not mean that you will have luck with most of them either.

I am on 15mg Oxycodone, 8 per day, 4mg Tizanadine, 2-3 at bedtime and 75mg Elavil at bedtime. The Tizanadine is the only reason I sleep. Otherwise I am up with spasms in my back and legs all night. Elavil is for migraine prevention but combined with the Tizanadine I am able to sleep a full 7-8 hours. I am certainly willing to try new medications but the Suboxone didn't seem to be one that my Hematologist wanted me on and I was also cautioned about this by others who are familiar with it.

I also have a script for Imetrix, if a migraine comes on. I give myself an injection. The good news is, my migraines have significantly decreased since my hysterectomy in Dec 08. I used to get them once a month and they were so bad I ended up in the ER. They are pretty managed right now.

Screaming Eagle said...
Living with chronic pain presents a lot of problems these days...and Dr's under pressure to pull back on scripts is one of them....and then there is dependency ...tollerance..and meds that do not work at all. Not only do we live with pain...but we are under worry and fear as well.

Indeed! Drs. are nervous about writing scripts. I am just surprised my PCP won't write them for me until I can find another Dr. because she knows I am not a problem. I saw my records and nothing indicated an issue. It makes no sense.


Screaming Eagle said...
Keep looking, ...and see if you can get a straight answer as to why they are wanting you on this med.



I learned that this clinic only offers Suboxone at their clinic and nothing else. My PCP told me this was the only pain clinic she knew to refer me to but didn't know that they had no other options for treatment.

Screaming Eagle said...
...and it has been a long hard week for me..and I'm still trying to get over this cold...which has dropped down into my chest...and seems like it wants to make a home there. LOL

Colds are the worst! I haven't had one in a very long time. I have become kind of obsessed with touching things. When I am not home I open doors with my sleeve, instead of my hands. I have even used tissues or napkins to open doors. My husband laughs at me but then he started doing it, too. LOL! Hey - I haven't had a cold in quite some time, so I must be doing something right!

Screaming Eagle said...
Good luck!

Thank you! I am hoping someone who lives here will pipe in but I am continuing my search to find someone, even if it is a new PCP.
Posted 10/26/2012 3:18 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Charlotte, you might also want to contact your insurance company, they may have a list of doctors that are in their network, then maybe your regular doctor can refer you. I imagine there has to be at least a handful in a city that sized. I'm in Ohio and we have 4 different clinics with about 20 different doctors and my city is relatively small compared to Indianapolis. So keep trying and making those appointments and good luck!
Posted 10/28/2012 10:04 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Charlotte,

Welcome to Healing Well......It sounds like you were referred to an addictionologist, not a pain management office. Suboxone is used to treat various types of dependencies in both street drugs and is often used erronousely to get people off opiates used for pain management. Those type of clinics require specialized licenses from the DEA to prescribe suboxone. It is a quicker way to get someone off pain medications than it is to taper but if there is no history of abuse, then a tapering plan is a much better alternative for stopping pain medications rather than using a medication used to treat addiction..just my opinion however.

While it may not be the right medication given your medical history, some patients do use it for pain and use it rather successfully. It depends on the situation. 

The first place that I would start looking for a new Pain management specialist is your insurance company's website. They should have a list of doctors that specialize in pain management for you to choose from. Then you can call each office and see if they offer only interventional ( pain injections, rhizotomy,  spinal cord stimulation, etc.) or if they offer a broader spectrum of treatment and interventions.

The other option is for you to go to the American Pain Society website and check their membership roster for a pain management physiatrist or pain management doctor in your area. Then you will have to see if they are participating in your insurance once you find a few names.

I am curious why you are only taking short acting opiates? Most PM doctors use a combination of long acting opiate and possibly a short acting if needed for breakthrough pain. Having a doctor continue to provide 8 -15 mg oxycodone a day is unusual ( usual dosing is 1 tab every 4-6 hours) and so is taking 2-3, 4 mg. zanaflex ( tizanadine) at one time is as well. Usually, they are prescribed to be taken every 6-8 hours. That may be one of the reasons that your GP is uncomfortable with continuing your prescriptions as they currently are. The usual maximum daily dose of oxycodone is a maximum of 6 per day.

I understand not wanting to have to repeat injections or physical therapy again but at the same time, most PM doctors, no matter what, should and will do their own evaluation of the patient, their own examination, and make their own plan for treatment, which may include repeating previous injections or therapies to see if having them done again might give a better outcome than experienced previously. Then if they don't work, they are willing to move on to something else. As far as medication management goes, again, most PM doctors want to know what has and has not worked before, but will evaluate your conditon and then come up with their own plan to manage pain.....and that may very well not be what your previous doctor has you on.

Good luck in your search, I hope that you can find someone,

Sandi 

Posted 10/29/2012 5:55 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Charlotte, do you have to stay in the Indy area? I know there have been at least one person that was going to a pain PM doctor in Ft. Wayne, and I believe that person lived in Ohio. And that brings me up to another option, do you have to stay in state? If you your insurance will cover you could you possible come over to Illinois. I do know that there are people that have doctors where I go that live in Indiana. I am in East Central Illinois, and I think my spinal pain management doctor is the best, he does everything, and treats the whole patient. Not just by pain meds, but even referrals to surgeons if he feels it will help, and of course injections and nerve blocks. Just a thought, that there might be other options for you, ask your PCP about the possibility of referring you to a different clinic. I know if I had a doctor that told me not to be on a certain med, like you have described, I sure would not take it either! If in your case there is a possibility of it causing liver damage, it is not worth taking it to find out!

I wish you well and hope you can get this resolved. Oh yes and welcome to our forum!

White Beard
Posted 10/29/2012 12:40 PM (GMT 0)

mrsm123 said...
Hi Charlotte, Welcome to Healing Well......It sounds like you were referred to an addictionologist, not a pain management office. Suboxone is used to treat various types of dependencies in both street drugs and is often used erronousely to get people off opiates used for pain management. Those type of clinics require specialized licenses from the DEA to prescribe suboxone. It is a quicker way to get someone off pain medications than it is to taper but if there is no history of abuse, then a tapering plan is a much better alternative for stopping pain medications rather than using a medication used to treat addiction..just my opinion however.
While it may not be the right medication given your medical history, some patients do use it for pain and use it rather successfully. It depends on the situation.
The first place that I would start looking for a new Pain management specialist is your insurance company's website. They should have a list of doctors that specialize in pain management for you to choose from. Then you can call each office and see if they offer only interventional ( pain injections, rhizotomy, spinal cord stimulation, etc.) or if they offer a broader spectrum of treatment and interventions.
The other option is for you to go to the American Pain Society website and check their membership roster for a pain management physiatrist or pain management doctor in your area. Then you will have to see if they are participating in your insurance once you find a few names.
I am curious why you are only taking short acting opiates? Most PM doctors use a combination of long acting opiate and possibly a short acting if needed for breakthrough pain. Having a doctor continue to provide 8 -15 mg oxycodone a day is unusual ( usual dosing is 1 tab every 4-6 hours) and so is taking 2-3, 4 mg. zanaflex ( tizanadine) at one time is as well. Usually, they are prescribed to be taken every 6-8 hours. That may be one of the reasons that your GP is uncomfortable with continuing your prescriptions as they currently are. The usual maximum daily dose of oxycodone is a maximum of 6 per day.
I understand not wanting to have to repeat injections or physical therapy again but at the same time, most PM doctors, no matter what, should and will do their own evaluation of the patient, their own examination, and make their own plan for treatment, which may include repeating previous injections or therapies to see if having them done again might give a better outcome than experienced previously. Then if they don't work, they are willing to move on to something else. As far as medication management goes, again, most PM doctors want to know what has and has not worked before, but will evaluate your conditon and then come up with their own plan to manage pain.....and that may very well not be what your previous doctor has you on.
Good luck in your search, I hope that you can find someone,
Sandi

Hello, MsM123 -

I am not sure about your question (BBM - bolded by me). This was the first pain management Dr. I went to and those were the medications he started me on. I haven't been on any other types of medications for pain. My original neurologist is the one who put me on Tizanadine at night because I had trouble sleeping with the muscle spasms. She put me on 1 a night but I kept waking up at 2am, so she increased it to 2 at bedtime. I got to sleep quickly but was still getting up around 2am, so she increased it again to 3 but this time she told me to take 1 of them when I wake up at 2am. I just don't know the answer to your question about why I am taking short-acting pain medication. I am just taking what I was prescribed.
Posted 10/29/2012 12:43 PM (GMT 0)

White Beard said...
Hi Charlotte, do you have to stay in the Indy area? I know there have been at least one person that was going to a pain PM doctor in Ft. Wayne, and I believe that person lived in Ohio. And that brings me up to another option, do you have to stay in state? If you your insurance will cover you could you possible come over to Illinois. I do know that there are people that have doctors where I go that live in Indiana. I am in East Central Illinois, and I think my spinal pain management doctor is the best, he does everything, and treats the whole patient. Not just by pain meds, but even referrals to surgeons if he feels it will help, and of course injections and nerve blocks. Just a thought, that there might be other options for you, ask your PCP about the possibility of referring you to a different clinic. I know if I had a doctor that told me not to be on a certain med, like you have described, I sure would not take it either! If in your case there is a possibility of it causing liver damage, it is not worth taking it to find out!

I wish you well and hope you can get this resolved. Oh yes and welcome to our forum!

White Beard

Hi, White Beard.

I am a military brat - an old one. Although I am in my 40's I will always consider myself an Army Brat. My father was in the Army for 30 years, so he was a career military man. He retired in 1991. Thank you for your service.

I am not covered out of state but Ft. Wayne should be ok. It's about 2 hours from Indy.
Posted 10/30/2012 5:43 AM (GMT 0)
Well Charlotte check out Ft. Wayne and see what they have available, as that might work for you, yes it is not all that far, and you can take Interstate 69 straight there. I was born in Ft. Wayne, and have relatives over there, I like driving the interstate highways, so I often take 74 to Indy and then 69 up to Fort Wayne. Oh by the way  I have two daughters and they still say they are military brats too!
I hope you can get this all resolved soon.

White Beard
Posted 10/30/2012 12:07 PM (GMT 0)

White Beard said...
Well Charlotte check out Ft. Wayne and see what they have available, as that might work for you, yes it is not all that far, and you can take Interstate 69 straight there. I was born in Ft. Wayne, and have relatives over there, I like driving the interstate highways, so I often take 74 to Indy and then 69 up to Fort Wayne. Oh by the way I have two daughters and they still say they are military brats too!
I hope you can get this all resolved soon.

White Beard

Do you happen to know the user that was seeing someone in Ft. Wayne? It would be difficult for me to make the trip several times for appointments to interview them. I can call but I am sure they won't really be able to tell me a lot over the phone.
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