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jfranco2325
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Joined : Dec 2014
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Posted 12/15/2014 3:19 PM (GMT 0)
I had gastric bypass 5 years ago and have been diagnosed with FM, MPS, CF, CPS, PTSD depression, and anxiety. My primary doctor will only prescribe 75 Norco every 30 days. She knows I have had gastric bypass and malabsorption, but still only gives a limited amount of pain medication. I just emailed my bariactric, doctor asking about
the fentanyl patch. Any suggestions on what's the best for me of pain medication to use?? I'm in constant pain and made to jump through hoops just to get treatment. Are there any articles regarding this that I can print to give to my doctor to help her understand my issues?? Any help is appreciated.
Abilene
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Posted 12/15/2014 5:17 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to HealingWell jfranco,
I've not had gastric bypass, just wanted to welcome you and say that I hope you can find help soon. Have you gotten a reply from your bariatric dr yet? It seems that dr should be able to give you something to show your primary or confer with her--maybe that's only in a perfect world. The older article included some interesting ideas, maybe some of those were helpful. Anyway, keep checking in and see what advice others have to offer.
jfranco2325
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Posted 12/15/2014 5:22 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you for your reply Abilene, I'm still waiting for a reply. The provider (HMO) want to get chronic pain sufferers off any pain medication or to have them on the lowest dose possible. My issue is that I am not able to take NSAIDS due to my bypass and OTC Tylenol doesn't work. Hopefully I get a good response from my bariatric, doctor.
Abilene
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Posted 12/15/2014 5:37 PM (GMT 0)
Most people here use a Pain Management Doctor rather than depending on their primary. Is that a possibility for you?
Post Edited (Abilene) : 12/15/2014 12:35:37 PM (GMT-7)
jfranco2325
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Posted 12/15/2014 5:42 PM (GMT 0)
I've gone through pain management and they're take is the same except I have to go through chronic pain classes to learn to manage my pain without medication. So I'm hoping that my bariatric doctor will help coordinate with either my primary or pain management.
straydog
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Posted 12/15/2014 7:45 PM (GMT 0)
Hi jfranco & welcome to the chronic pain forum. Sorry to read what you are having to deal with. Hopefully you can get some decent care for your problems.
I am not sure how well versed you are about
all the things going on with treatment of chronic pain or not but there is a huge difference compared to where we were even 2 1/2 years ago. The DEA is now involved & they have rules & guidelines that all the drs are following including our pain mgt drs. As a result of these rules & guidelines most primary care physician will no longer take care of a chronic pain patient on a long term basis simply because they don't have the time or people to jump through all the hoops. These drs do not want the DEA showing up to do an audit in their office & some fear losing their licenses. Every dr you talk to these days is saying "I can't give you this medication or that medication because I could lose my license." I feel quite certain this is why your PCP is rxing just the Norco on a limited basis. It is not that he does not want to help you, his hands are tied. Pharmacist in some states are refusing to fill script
s because they think the patient should not need the medication beyond 6 months depending on what their dx is for which they are being treated.
As far as whether Fentanyl being something that may help you, it is a very strong medication & most people do get relief. Something we have seen here at the forum is people that have had bariatric surgery do in fact end up with absorption issues after surgery. But, getting a dr to understand that is next to impossible. The dr that did your surgery could verify this in a letter to be given to your drs, No one will believe a patient when they say I have absorption issues since I had my surgery. That one will not make any difference coming from a patient. We did have one lady that her surgeon write a letter & stated her absorption issues were a big problem & her pain mgt dr had her on liquid pain meds.
In order to get some type of real pain mgt care you are going to have to resign yourself to being treated by a pain mgt dr... Not all PM drs are like the one you saw so don't let that experience sour you on all of them.
I suggest contacting your insurance company to see what PM drs are covered under your insurance & do some calling to see who is taking new patients & what it will take to get an appt. Most require a referral from another dr. All you have to ask is does the dr rx medication if warranted in addition to procedures. You will not sound like a drug seeker asking those questions.
If you would like to read some of the older posts about
problems others have had with absorption issues after surgery you can use our search feature here at the forum. We do ask that you not post on those older posts as we like to keep them off of the main page & the poster may no longer be active here at the forum.
Take care.
KillerPain365
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Joined : Jan 2014
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Posted 12/16/2014 11:34 AM (GMT 0)
Hi jfranco,
I'm sorry to hear of your troubles - I sincerely hope that you find something that works for you soon and a doctor that is compassionate.
Just to add one more thought to what Susie mentioned, many doctors and pain management doctors will require you to go through alternative methods of treatment before resigning to long term medications. The reason why is because their primary goal - as should be yours, ultimately - is that you will need as little medication as possible and find the cause and/or a solution for your pain not requiring medication. Obviously this is not always possible, but very few doctors these days will go straight to long term medications as they would like to make an effort without them, sometimes issuing limited quantities of short acting medications in the meantime. My advice would be to stick out whatever program your pain management doctor follows, and if no improvement or relief comes, they should then prescribe medications. If you do not find them being compassionate and willing to help you with medication, keep looking, as there are still compassionate doctors out there in this doctor-shaming society regarding prescript
ion opiates. The collateral damage of the unfortunate shaming and demonization of doctors for other people's mistakes is that legitimate patients like yourself do not getting the proper care that they need and are forced to suffer unnecessarily.
One more note in regards to fentanyl patches. They work very well for continuous relief and it is a very strong medication. I currently am using them as I was switched about
a month ago by my doctor. It is however unlikely that you would be put directly on fentanyl right away due to the boxed warning that patients must be opioid tolerant, at relatively high doses, prior to initiation of treatment at any strength of the patch. However, what is right for you will ultimately be determined by your doctor. But as I said it is certainly an effective medication when dosed appropriately at the right strength.
I wish you all the best and hope you are able to get the relief that you need and deserve. I hope that you have many pain-free days ahead.
Cheers,
-KP
AngMichelle
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Posted 12/18/2014 2:34 PM (GMT 0)
can I ask what is MPS and CPS?
My sister had bariatric surgery, but a different kind that actually causes mal-absorbstion on purpose. They said they are seeing more and more people dx'ed with things like CFS, Fibro, and such but it may just be more of a nutritional issue causing the symptoms, just as you have to take Calcium to prevent Osto, we are seeing more things are needed to supplement this lose or malobsorbtion bariatric patients may have.
I'm sure your on supplements, but I'd try increasing your nutritional stuff as well. Maybe take a probiotic, and eat foods that lower inflammation, increase iron, Vit c, potassium, etc. The thing is your body may never abosb those things well, no matter what you eat so you have to find ways to get those vital nutrients.
( i hope that made sense)
I don't mean this badly in any way, but You may just be glad you get the 75 month....PM is going all the the feds and without cancer, or something major showing on MRI, or test they don't and or can't do much anymore it seems. and for things like Fibro, CF, and such they aren't so keen on treating with narcotics usually despite having lots of very real pain.
My GP just left to work in an urgent care office bc he said all the rules he had to follow kept him from being the dr he wanted to be, my neurologist left the state of TN bc the rules/regs are so crazy hard to follow and not worth their time.
I hope you find the relief you need.
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