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Posted 9/16/2008 2:14 AM (GMT 0)
A friend of mines mother came up to me the other day and said she had read a book (she is very religious ps) and said it would be perfect for me, so i willingly accepted it. A book called the makers diet, its about someone with very very bad crohn's and collitis too i believe and a bunch of other issues and illnesses. Anyways he got very sick lost tonnes of wait and no treatments were working, he tried all the drugs out there, stem cell transplants from sheep, even some venus fly trap serum?

So he decided to follow a diet based around the bible and science, which is very convincing and im not religious at all! Has anyone heard of this book or tried this diet? Im seriously considering trying it very strictly, as after he did it hes back in perfect shape and in full remission!

Thoughts?
Posted 9/16/2008 3:37 AM (GMT 0)
Hi there,
I am currently reading through the book right now, myself. I do understand the premise and healing effects behind the life changes explained in the book, although, being very non-christian, in fact, non-religious myself I am having a hard time seeing myself following the path to a 'T'.

If you 'believe' You can do this, and plan on following the religious premise behind the book as well, I do seriously believe it can do what the author claims it can do. I have witnessed many friends and others achieving the unexpected by belief and prayer in conjunction with life events.

I wish you the best, and I will say a prayer for you, because, even though I am not claiming to be religious, I do think prayers work somehow, in a very real way.

I suggest you also look into the book Breaking The Vicious Cycle, by Elaine Gottschall. You can find it on Amazon. I am totally convinced by that diet and am currently starting to completely change my kitchen so I can make this work.

Good luck and Best wishes.
Posted 9/16/2008 9:40 AM (GMT 0)
If you do a search here, there are many great threads regarding The Maker's Diet and SCD.
Posted 9/16/2008 12:49 PM (GMT 0)
Hi abseeley and welcome to the forum! The Maker's Diet is the first book I read after my son's diagnosis. Jordan Rubin's story is inspiring, to say the least! He went on to start his own supplement company and is now the owner of a multi-million (billion?) dollar company. Many people see this as a turn-off, and I understand, because he does suggest you use his supplements in the book. If you can read the book and put all that aside, there IS information there to learn. Also, you do NOT have to buy his brand of supplements if you choose to take what he recommends (digestive enzymes, probiotics, omega 3s, etc.). They do tend to be more pricey than other brands.

Julie1014 was right. This diet has been discussed here at length. CrazyHarry says it has changed his health for the better. He once did a side by side comparison of the Maker's Diet and the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD), named so by the author of the book chewbacchi recommended here--Elaine Gottschall. The diets are very similar. Maybe CrazyHarry will be along soon...

I feel the diet has made a big difference for my son. We started the MD after reading the book and through the year I also began using SCD recipes, as well. Do we adhere 100% to either diet? No, but only from the standpoint that I don't always purchase organics (I tend to use the "dirty dozen" list) and my son will NOT consume milk. (The SCD is opposed to milk anyway!--one of the differences between the diets). My son does adhere to the diet from the standpoint that he no longer eats ANYTHING processed. No grains, no sugar (and no form of sugar--honey is allowed), no dairy. He does however, eat SCD legal yogurt every day.

On a side note, has anyone seen the commercial PROMOTING high fructose corn syrup??? I couldn't believe it!!! Just saw it yesterday! I guess the hfcs folks feel they've taken a hit and need to promote their product which some would argue has made America obese... it's in everything!

So I will ditto what chewbacchi said. After you read the MD, also read Breaking the Vicious Cycle... Personally, I have not found this change of diet to be that difficult--though I guess not everyone would agree with me. Our family of 4 all eat this way now.

Good luck to you!!! :-)
Posted 9/16/2008 2:39 PM (GMT 0)
side note to your side note, emom, you should rent the dvd "King Korn" it is a funny, interesting look at corn as it is being used today.
Posted 9/16/2008 4:30 PM (GMT 0)
Good and bad things, about the book, he's written another newer version, that would probably help us Crohnies MORE since its more on the diet and medical side, co-authored with a MD, yes he is a Dr himself but no, not an MD. The Makers diet is more on the Biblical side.

Its definetly not something I'd want to follow if I was very sick, you dont and shouldnt take this at 100 percent face value.

I will Definetly be back shortly to respond to the quetion in its entirety.

One thing you can take from this book is, Organic is usually better. Healthier, more apetizing, and gives you more energy and better absorbtion of necessary vitamins and minerals I feel anyway.
Posted 9/17/2008 6:35 PM (GMT 0)
the makers diet totally worked for me. i was facing ostomy surgery cos my colon had stopped working. i was super duper sick when i did this diet. meds couldnt do anything for me, but diet did - and in like 2-3 days i saw positive results (disclaimer: results may vary) i'm a believer of this diet. i've been med free cos of the diet since halloween 2007. i am symptom free too. i had a colonoscopy this past june and doc said things look good and to continue what i am doing. granted now i did have surgery in 2005 which removed the bulk of the diseased portion of my bowels, but as i stated above, i was not of the woods and a year later was facing ostomy surgery and wasnt eating. for crohns i dont think it gets much worse than that.

i strongly recommend you (or any one really, crohns or not) try the makers diet. it is difficult and intimidating, so you need a lot of will power and determination as you will feel miserable at first and have to relearn how to shop and eat. initially you'll feel that there is nothing to eat on the diet, but once it becomes a habit you realize there are tons of food to eat. it is also scary cos it gets you eating a lot of "danger foods" for us crohnnies, but i seem to tolerate most of them, especially in smaller quantities. it took me over 10 years to eat a salad cos of the leafy greens. now i tolerate them in small amounts. super cool. thanks makers diet.

as for the faith based part of it, you can do the diet and totally disregard it. yes, his conclusions of why to eat this way are based on the old testament and he does believe in prayer (one of his 7 points) however many other people have said the same thing as jordan rubin and well before he did but from a different angle. jack lilaine, the famous juicer guy, has been saying this well before jordan rubin. it truly is nothing new, it just gets brushed under the rug cos it gets you to stop eating processed and refined foods and sugars which if we all did a lot of food companies would go out of business, and not to mention drug companies cos we all wouldnt be taking at least 2 meds each to treat symptoms of something we could "cure" on our own if we ate correctly.

the scd has you eating similar to the makers diet (although not organic) and comes to more or less the same conclusion but from a scientific angle instead of a faith based one. the principles of both diets are sound imho. do one or the other. i believe eating organic and getting away from high glycemic, processed and refined foods and sugars is the key.

i believe that if you are determined to do it, and follow it to the letter, you can see positive changes. (but do remember nothing is a panacea or a cure, so dont be upset if it doesnt work for you; however you never know unless you try). you have nothing to lose but the price of food for 40 days to give the maker's diet (or scd) a try. imho, this is way better than trying a new med which may take a few months before you experience (or decide if you do experience) a clinical response or not. plus food does not have nasty side effects.

jordan rubin, author of the makers diet, is a naturopath. he has many books out but they all have the same similar theme in the diet. i see them as new editions of the original book. the true difference, imho, is the packaging and audience the book is directed to. if the faith issue turns you off, try one of his other books, like perfect weight, restoring your digestive health (co-written with a GI doc), or patient heal thyself.

and yes, to find out more, search the thread history here. that is my sales pitch. best of luck!!!!
Posted 9/17/2008 11:07 PM (GMT 0)
If you click on the Crohn's Disease resources thread at the top of this forum and then click on the "new meds" link (in a post added by me, Ivy) you should be able to find some of our best threads on the Makers Diet.

Hope this helps,

Ivy.
Posted 9/17/2008 11:10 PM (GMT 0)
ps. I just bumped the new meds thread for you, so it should be on the first or second page of the forum when you see this.
Posted 9/18/2008 3:58 AM (GMT 0)

Jordan Ruben's first book "Patient Heal Thyself" and his second book "Restoring Your Diagestive Health(Co-arthured with Joseph Brassco M.D.)" both acknowledge the SCD as the basis for his learning process. He also states in one or the other of those that the SCD is helpful to about 97% of Crohn's patients. I don't know his reference point for this statement, but I was under the impression it was a conclusion drawn from personal research and personal experience, as well as from his own and his Fathers health care practices. The SCD, as laid out in Ms. Gottschall's BTVC book, does not follow any belief system.

I follow a modified SCD. I added to the basic diet after a long period of time one thing at a time 10 days apart. Sort of a reverse elimination diet . I eat organic whenever possible, in hopes that it is more nutrient dense. Ruben's books are full of ideas that are of like mind. I use the Brassco broth/ chicken soup idea when I flare. Hey, if I'm absorbing today I want as much good stuff in there as possible. smilewinkgrin
I have a family member with crohn's who is now following the SCD , has had two bypass surgerys in the past and says he has never felt better. I work in the health food/supplements industry. I see many finding various levels of relief from crohn's, and many other autoimmune illnesses by following these teachings. I don't need double blind studies to know that now I can walk, function, and hold down a job to keep insurance I use mostly to monitor my general health and progress. I was a fat 207lb crohnie, but I look as improved at 150lbs as Jordan Ruben did in his before and after pictures. I love looking 20years younger. yeah

My husband is off all Diabetes meds after 16 years, mostly from following the same diet, it is very low glycemic. turn

Posted 9/20/2008 1:29 AM (GMT 0)
sweet! that is fantastic news! i love hearing stuff like this cos i feel, with my battle, that we've all been misled to varying degrees and the diet connection has been almost totally dismissed by most doctors and thus we treat symptoms and not the cause. i love the testimony margie11!
Posted 9/20/2008 5:27 AM (GMT 0)
Margie11 may be pointing to this study indicating that in 20 patients, all 20 did better to some degree on the SCD. Some were followed up for at least 8 years.

http://www.mdheal.org/crohn%27s.htm

Carbohydrate restriction seems to be a valid approach in the management of the disease. While there is extant literature on the subject, it seems to be disdained by the medical establishment. I gave up trying to convince doctors; I'm off all my meds and eating a broader range of food with absolutely no ill effects after 9 months on the diet.
Posted 9/20/2008 8:01 PM (GMT 0)
ditto.
Posted 9/20/2008 9:42 PM (GMT 0)
My daughter was first diagnosed with Crohn's disease November 2003. I had never heard of the diseased prior to her diagnosis. Since that discovery, I’ve numerous hours researching the disease and the various treatment options available for treating and managing the disease.

I’m currently enrolled in a MS degree in Health Informatics at the University of Missouri, and I need to write a thesis. For my thesis, I have written a survey specifically designed for patient's suffering from Crohn's disease. The survey is intended to collect data about the treatment methods used by the patients, their knowledge of the treatment options available for treating/managing the disease, and the primary sources of information they used for educating themselves about the disease and it’s treatment options.

I would greatly appreciate if you could take a few moments to fill out the survey. Your personal experience is very important and I would like to hear about it. The survey form is fully encrypted, contains no personally identifiable information, and has been approved by the University of Missouri IRB. Parents of children diagnosed with the disease can fill out the survey on behalf of their child. I will make my thesis available once I’ve completed it, which I’m projecting to be somewhere in the October-November time frame.

I have received permission from Peter Waite of Healing Well to post this survey.

The URL for the survey is:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=dDs03O00OPwgncarZi41bg_3d_3d


Thanks in advance for your support,
Linda
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