my sister and I both have cd, we we're raised by loving mom and nut for father, who mentally abused us, so my sister and i both have cd, I got mine when i was 20 sis was 40, but we we're possibly prediposed to get cd, it's a gray area. I quess it doesn't matter how you get it but rather how to deal with this bummer deck of cards. I know for sure this forum is so important, going by the amount of visits it looks like crohns gets the most action,sad