Have you tried no Yeast, Dairy, and SCD, (or at least no Gluten) at the same time?

In August 2014, my GI doctor found continuing inflammation in my ileum (It had also been seen during a CT scan in June 2014, when I first got sick), and granulomas on my biopsy from the colonoscopy, and because of that, he wanted me on Pentasa.

Well, I refused, wanting more answers...

In October, I started the Specific Carb Diet. It only helped my symptoms moderately. I was still having regular, daily pains, but my bloating did subside somewhat. After being on the SCD for four months, I had IgG and IgA testing done and among other foods, I had very high antibodies to both baker's and brewer's yeast. When I removed those from my diet, I had IMMEDIATE improvement in my symptoms. Within one month (just this past March) I felt awesome.

As it turns out, nearly 60 % of people with Crohn's have an allergy to yeast!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1808965/

Now, April 2015, I have almost zero symptoms. Maybe one pain every four days or so, a level one, after having had pains several times per day for months ever since I got sick in June 2014, sometimes as high as a level six on a one to ten scale.

In the start of March 2015, one month after following a yeast free diet (and still following SCD too, which means gluten free), I had a capsule endoscopy done. No signs of Crohn's at all. Now, the same GI who had wanted me on Pentasa, will no longer to commit to whether I had Crohn's or not. Now, he's saying it may have been something infectious. But when I asked him that back in August, he said no. He said if I had something infectious in June, it would have been gone by August.

I also want to mention that I am also dairy free (allergy also), and I believe, after doing some reading, that it may have been the combo of gluten/dairy/yeast free that did the trick for me. I am feeling so great now that I am desperately trying to spread the word to others to just try going yeast free for a month, as well as trying going Gluten and Dairy free too, as I keep reading that these foods cross react with one another. Or even better, SCD, without dairy and yeast. Yes, it's tough, but what's one month, if it might just possible help you?

If you are showing antibodies to something, does that not mean you are allergic? I also showed high antibodies to cow's milk dairy, which i already knew I was allergic to, because every time I ate or drank any I got congested. I also had elevated ASCA levels when I had a prometheus blood panel run.

Secondly, I am not saying candida caused this, I fully believe a yeast allergy was the culprit.

Third, my diet did indeed help. Within two weeks of removing the allergens I suddenly felt great. Seems a bit too coincidental for me.

Fourth, well, that is what my doctor recommended, and he is highly regarded in my area.

Fifth, I'm sharing my experience in the hopes of helping others. Some people do believe diet can help, and there is no harm in trying to remove things for a few weeks...

Personally, I don't believe immune suppressors work, I think they make people worse in the long run, but I'm not going around on forums shooting down other people's stories if they feel it did help them.

Do you have evidence that IgG antibodies are NOT an allergy? Because many naturopaths feel they are, including the one I purchased the test through, as well as a second one that gave me the list of foods to avoid.

No one knows what causes Crohn's...it might be caused by many things, and different things in different people. It might need multiple things going wrong at the same time (gut dysbioisis, leaky gut, allergy, infection, immune system on overdrive, genetics)...so to say it is not caused by an allergy is false. It might very well be a factor, just like gluten is a factor in celiac disease, also an autoimmune disorder.

If it was known what caused Crohn's, we might have a cure!

For the record, I stated "Personally, I don't believe immune suppressors work" I did not *claim* anything. So I'm not going to bother to argue my reasoning with you.

And just wow, are you in a bad mood or just sitting around having nothing better to do than attack people on the internet? Or maybe you're a drug rep, or a doctor who gets perks from drug reps? I'm not selling anything, or hurting anyone, and I may very well help someone....

Well you obviously aren't an English Major...because yes...when you say "Personally, I believe Crohn's disease is caused by aliens" you aren't *claiming* a thing. You are expressing your own belief.

Do you have proof that Crohn's is not caused (at least in part, as I expressed above) by allergies? I also *believe* it is caused by dysbiosis, leaky gut, and my family's tendency towards autoimmune issues...along with those allergies. I can't do a thing about my genetics, but the Specific Carb Diet is supposed to help with the first two items, and we've already discussed how I feel about that last item.

I, also, personally, believe in naturopaths. The one I got my test from healed both himself, and a friend of my husband's, using IgG testing. Both of them had Ulcerative Colitis. In some parts of the Country, they are eligible to be primary care providers. You, however, may believe in whatever you like.

And with that said, I'm signing off for the night. If you want to continue this, it will have to wait for another day...

Some naturopaths have their uses - I have a great acupuncturist that has helped. However, many are frauds and if they do not have a medical license then no, they are not considered doctors in the eyes of the law (maybe the insurance companies in some instances, but can you really trust those guys?).

Sometimes you can adjust your diet and feel better, but have Crohn's still simmering in the background. The SCD is the only one that I have heard of to truly have evidence that it works for multiple people. And considering I take my disease VERY seriously and have explored MANY options from ALL sources (not just western medicine), I think I would have heard of what you're talking about by now (30 hospitalizations in 3 years and sepsis two times will cause you to do in-depth research).

The article you referenced only says that the antibodies MAY have a link to SEVERITY of disease, not causing Crohn's itself. If only 60% have it (which has been disputed by other posters in this forum, but you refuse to listen to them) - then what are the other 40% supposed to do?

And no, your GI is NOT a top one for recommending Pentasa - he is uninformed and old-school. That would be like someone who gets a yeast infection being told to just eat yogurt and they'll be fine. Or a cold virus being treated with antibiotics.

You would only show an IgG response to those foods you eat the most. That is why the test is unhelpful.

You are misunderstanding the facts, and do not grasp the way the test results are concocted. Isn't it odd that it is always the most common foods that people to which people are told they have a response? It always seems to be dairy, wheat or eggs! Think about it....

scifigal2k said...
Some naturopaths have their uses - I have a great acupuncturist that has helped. However, many are frauds and if they do not have a medical license then no, they are not considered doctors in the eyes of the law (maybe the insurance companies in some instances, but can you really trust those guys?).

As mentioned above, the naturopath was recommended to me by a friend. She had UC, was being told to have her colon removed, and she sought help from this doctor instead. That was 2 + years ago, and she is still doing well (and has her colon). Also, he seems to have quite a following. He has offices in NY, CT, and AZ.

scifigal2k said...


Sometimes you can adjust your diet and feel better, but have Crohn's still simmering in the background. The SCD is the only one that I have heard of to truly have evidence that it works for multiple people.
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Yes, you can have it simmering in the background, but not in my case. I just had a clear capsule endoscopy showing that all of my inflammation is gone.

SCD definitely appears to be working for a great deal of people, which is why I am still following the diet. I do not plan to stray from it for at least a year after my last symptom, which is what is recommended in the book.

scifigal2k said...


And considering I take my disease VERY seriously and have explored MANY options from ALL sources (not just western medicine), I think I would have heard of what you're talking about by now (30 hospitalizations in 3 years and sepsis two times will cause you to do in-depth research).

I’m sorry that you have had such a hard time. I would hope that anyone with any major disease would take it seriously, and do some research of their own, and it’s nice to know that other people spend hours on the computer trying to find answers. I do this too. If you google “Crohn’s + Yeast Allergy” you will come across plenty.

Here are just a few of the many things I’ve found:

From this ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760647 ) pub med document: “It is speculated that the yeast-free diet as a part of the therapy for the ASCA positive patients can be reasonable: moreover the permanent "forbidding" of the yeast can be an acceptable alternative in case of getting well.”

And from this one (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12579538 ) “The findings of cross-reactivity of polymorphonuclear leukocytes with S. cerevisiae antigen and the presence of S. cerevisiae antigen in Crohn's disease granulomas suggest the possibility of involvement of S. cerevisiae in the pathogenesis of Crohn's disease.”

Here is an article linking allergy to Crohn’s: http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Crohn%27s_disease_and_ulcerative_colitis_-_inflammatory_bowel_disease_responds_well_to_the_environmental_approach

Here is an article linking a reaction to fermented foods (yeast) to Crohn’s:
http://www.docsalus.com/blog/2014/03/17/fermented-food-yeast-related-reactions-involved-autoimmune-disorders/

Here is an article explaining how milk sugar cross reacts with yeast, and is specific to Crohn’s. http://thefooddoc.blogspot.com/2007/12/yeast-sugar-also-found-in-cows-milk.html

Here is one explaining the same cross reaction with gluten: http://drclark.typepad.com/dr_david_clark/2013/10/most-dangerous-foods-for-gluten-sensitivity-celiac-disease-gluten-free-diet-2-yeast.html

I also came across this person, who had a similar experience with yeast and Crohn’s, from this very same forum: https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&m=2669712

scifigal2k said...


If only 60% have it (which has been disputed by other posters in this forum, but you refuse to listen to them) - then what are the other 40% supposed to do?

Who has disputed the 60% number? Maybe I’m missing something…?

scifigal2k said...


The article you referenced only says that the antibodies MAY have a link to SEVERITY of disease, not causing Crohn's itself. If only 60% have it (which has been disputed by other posters in this forum, but you refuse to listen to them) - then what are the other 40% supposed to do?

Yes, but why do up to 60% of people with Crohn’s have these antibodies? And shouldn’t you remove anything that might possibly be triggering your immune system in any way when you have an autoimmune issue?

As mentioned above, no one knows for sure what causes Crohn’s, and there are likely more than one problem going in to play when any person develops it, just like cancer, heart disease, etc. But if there is a chance that a dietary change *might* help up to 60% of people who do have it, wouldn’t it be worth a try? It can’t hurt anyone. It has no side effects. And if it doesn’t work, you can just cross it off the list of the many other things you may have tried.

But if it did work for you, wouldn’t that just be awesome????

scifigal2k said...

And no, your GI is NOT a top one for recommending Pentasa - he is uninformed and old-school. That would be like someone who gets a yeast infection being told to just eat yogurt and they'll be fine. Or a cold virus being treated with antibiotics.

I don’t know why you are all focused on jumping all over my GI. It’s completely off topic, since I never took the Pentasa, and never commented one way or the other if it would help. Like most GI’s, my doctor also doesn’t believe that diet can changes can help either.

Listen, I joined this forum to share my “carefully expressed experience” in the hopes of helping others.

I did not come here “claiming” to have found a cure. My post started with a question, “Have you tried…?”

Instead of learning if others have tried this too, and what results they may have seen, and/or seeing if others might give removing these foods a try…the response I received was to have all of you jump all over me.

I have better things to do with my time then to argue with others on the internet, especially when they “refuse to listen” to me either, or even consider what I might have to say. I wish you all the best with your health. I will no longer be posting on this forum.

Post Edited (D.Owczarek) : 4/3/2015 7:52:40 AM (GMT-6)

Perhaps you do just have food allergies and not Crohn's disease. I have Crohn's disease, not food allergies. So not eating those things makes no difference for me.

Jen77 said...
Perhaps you do just have food allergies and not Crohn's disease. I have Crohn's disease, not food allergies. So not eating those things makes no difference for me.

Perhaps I do, although if you read above, you'll see that I had a pretty conclusive biopsy. It also doesn't change the fact that the doctor thought otherwise and was ready to start me on Crohn's meds. I'm sorry that you've tried removing foods and it has not helped you...but maybe someone else out there is being told they have Crohn's, and if they try what I did, it might help them. Who knows, maybe they *just* have allergies too. Allergies that are bad enough that when they initially fell ill they were admonished for going to a walk in clinic and told they should have went to the ER. Allergies bad enough to get them diagnosed with Crohn's and sentenced to expensive medications that maybe they can't afford. Allergies bad enough to cause them pains for five months. Allergies bad enough to make them exhasted all the time so that their life comes to a grinding halt for months.

That's how bad my "allergies" were...

And maybe, if that person, who "just" has allergies but is being told it is Crohn's, reads this post, they might try what I did, and feel better, like I do.

That's the only reason I'm here posting....to help others, not shoot down other people's ideas and/or experiences. What works for one, will surely work for at least one other person. Maybe even a handful of people...

For those people, if you're reading this, don't let other people's remarks sway your own thoughts. If you're considering SCD, and maybe having allergy testing done too, or just removing yeast/dairy/gluten...it's worth a try. There are no side effects to diet, and if you don't feel better in a few weeks, you've lost nothing in trying.

Post Edited (D.Owczarek) : 4/7/2015 4:33:44 PM (GMT-6)

Thank you for your posts D. Owczarek.
Diet can help many people. Results are not always immediate.
Food plays a role in this disease and the antigen response seems to be a factor, one of many and different from one to another
Right now I am SCD, no dairy with bone broths and soups.
I think it is very helpful. Crohns is limited to my rectum and PA fistula. Everywhere else looks normal but I have had disease elsewhere before
I am also on MTX, ENTYVIO augmentin and 10 m pred.
I leave no stone unturned in seeking relief, after 50 years that's a lot of stones. There is no harm in trying diets: SCD, PALEO, GAPS AI, even macrobiotic worked for me once.

Hi all.

I had ASCA IGA 7 (lab range 0-20), and ASCA IGG 24 (lab range 0-20). I did this test last year. Maybe I have Crohns, maybe not. I didn't have any colonoscopy.

I read a lot about anti ASCA and I also think that can be a reaction to bakery yeast or maybe people with crohns don't tollerate yeast and sugar and candida overgrowth in small intestines.

In 2013 I had 2 flare of bad diahrrea and pain and high calprotectin, so isn't only IBS for me. Every episodes lasted 3 weeks.

In 2014 I tested ASCA. In 2011 I also tested positive for lactose intollerance.

In february 2015 I got an HLA celiac pannel test. All autoantibodies (gliadin and tran****aminase) are negative but I'm positive for DQ2 (only beta chain: that put me at 1:210 risk to have celiacs).

I was on low fodmap / paleo diet since october 2013.

I slowly improved but I cut off almost all yeast/bakery product (bread, sweet, cakes, pizzas ...). I ate only 2 slices of spelt bread at a day.

Now with the HLA test I stopped the bread slices.

I really don't know if I have crohns or not. I'm very afraid to have it because of anti ASCA.

I keep the diet without gluten and yeast, and I'm curious to know if my bloating go away.

I also think there's a dietary factor that induces crohns, and I'm convinced can be yeasts.

Uh oh, be careful using that word "claim," BRelaxed. You must not be an English major either!