Dr. Bernstein and vegetarians?

Gelchick,

IMO, you would have a tough time with Dr. Bernstein's diet.  However, I believe low-carb is the proper diet for all diabetics.

My view is this:  my diabetes dictates my diet. By that I mean, if I do not control my blood sugars, I'm in serious danger.  What is the point of eating what many consider a healthy and moral diet if it's going to kill me, a diabetic?  There is nothing moral or healthy in that scenario.  So a vegetarian diet is simply out of the question for me (and IMO, s/b out of the question for all diabetics).

If you ate eggs, you would have a much less difficult time with this type of diet.  

You may also want to check out the low-carb vegetarian forum at lowcarber.org.  There seems to be a good bit of information there.

I do urge to to take control of your carbohydrate intake.  At the end of the day, carbs are simply sugar in another form, and they will harm diabetics if they are not strictly controlled.

I reread my previous post and I may have come off as a bit heavy handed. That was not my intention.

I do appreciate that vegans and vegetarians have many moral and health reasons for their diet. I understand completely. And while I was never a strict vegetarian, vegetables & grains were a very large part of my diet before my T2 Rx.

But, unfortunately, I just can not eat that way any longer. I'm a type II, on low medication and a low carb diet. I do not want to burn out the rest of my beta cells. And I firmly believe that is what would happen if I did not strictly control my carb intake.

The complications of elevated blood sugars (even moderately elevated) are well documented. If diabetics do not keep their BG's within normal ranges they are going to suffer very serious, very painful, long drawn-out complications.

And a vegetarian diet will almost always be high on carbs vs. a high protein/fat diet. I believe it's possible for a low-carb lacto-ovo vegetarian to go low carb. But vegan diabetics will have very hard time keeping their carbs under control. It is hard enough for me, a carnivore, to control my carb intake, so I can only imagine how tough it is for vegetarians/vegans.

And honestly, I feel great since my change to low carb. I have more energy, I sleep better, I've lost the weight I needed to lose without even trying, and I'm rarely hungry between meals.

As I said before, my disease dictates what my diet will be. I really don't see any realistic (for me) alternative to my current way of eating.

At any rate, the best to you gelchick with whatever way you go. The important thing is to keep those BG's under control.

Gelchick,

Bernstein doesn't limit the amount of protein and fat.  He simply calls for a carb intake of 6/12/12.  That is, 6 carbs for breakfast, 12 carbs for lunch and dinner--a total of 30 carbs a day.

That's a bit low for me ;)

He also claims the fears of saturated fat are overblown (but that's a discussion for another day).

I use Dr. B's book more as a guide, that is, I do not follow his diet religiously.   I eat more than 6/12/12 carbs.  I have reduced my carbs quite a bit.  But I probably eat close to 100 per day.  I usually eat 3.5 meals per day.  I exercise some, but that is the weak part of my diabetic regime.  I don't need to lose any more weight, since I was only a few pounds overweight to begin with. 

I also try to reduce my saturated fat intake.  I eat egg whites, turkey, chicken etc.  I try to eat organic/range-fed when possible.  Not easy to find those items in my location though. 

Primarily, I eat a lot of spinach, lettuce, olives, cauliflower, broccoli and other low carb veggies.  I make homemade flax meal muffins.  I eat the organic diabetic bread made my Alvarado Street bakeries out of San Francisco.  If not that, I have a quick low carb bread that can be made in the microwave.

I do eat turkey, chicken, fish.  Not much red meat.  I do eat various soy burgers etc.  Many are quite good, and fill me up.

I also eat a lot of nuts, Pecans, Walnuts & Almonds.

I do miss the grain cereals though :(   And of course all the various breads that are out there. 

Soy milk is another favorite of mine.

For cholesterol control I use a product called Profibe.  I did post about it here.  You can google "ProFibe" if you're interested.

So far, things have been going well.  My BG's rarely rise above 130, even post meal.  However, they don't often go below 90, even after fasting.  Still I'm glad to have my numbers within such a narrow range.

You may want to visit Dr. Bernstein's forum at diabetes-book.com.  Most of the posters are die-hard low-carbers, but they do have a very good recipe section that you may find helpful.

 

Santoz,

Thanks for the info- other than the meat, your eating plan sounds very do-able to me. I have been eating  3 meals, and 1 snack(locarb skim milk, doctor's orders, with my night dose of metformin) around 120-130 total carbs (always low GI/GL) with about 35 grams of fiber, so I am not doing too bad in the carb department based on your numbers. The diabetes dietitian that I was sent to prescribed 180-200, 3 meals, and 3 snacks, which kept my BG levels in the 170's or higher all the time, even with 500 mg of metformin three times per day. And as an added bonus- I gained weight! She kept saying..if you only ate meat, this would be so much easier...Since dropping down to my current levels, my BG is around 115 - 135 during the day, but it rises to 150 overnight. I am going to try adding egg whites and hi protein veggie burgers (Boca, Morningstar), soy based protein powder, and lo carb skim milk to up my proteins and change my carb/protein/fat ratio. We'll see how that goes for a start. There are so many conflicting opinions/eating regimes/doctor directives that my head spins around like that poor girl in the Exorcist. I need to be my own lab rat I guess to determine what works best for my body and you've given me a good starting point.

Jeannie,

You must be one heck of a cook. Didn't I make a terrific brown rice/barley dish that you posted? I am also bread maker fan and have burned out 4 of them over the years. I love my current machine - a nice Zoshirushi (sp?)- Would you be willing to send me the specifics of your bread recipe and the size loaf you make? It sounds great-  I grind my own grains, and I would be glad to abandon my Whole Foods Lo Carb Flaxseed for something I could make and slice myself. I'm sure my husband would be glad to get away from the 'carb-board' bread too. Thanks!

Sandy   

I'm with you, gelchick!

I listened politely when the diatetian gave me the "recommended" food plan when I was diagnosed 3 yrs ago.  Then told her I had no intention WhatSoEver of following it.  She finally understood that I was adamant and left it with a "call if you need me" - which I haven't.  Oh well, she was just doing her job, telling me what she had been taught - not her fault she was Wrong.

Low carb works for me.  Always.

What I have trouble with is fluids - hate water, love coffee with Hood's 'milk', love diet soda, hate Crystal Lite, like tea but it gives me heartburn.  I've yet to find the perfect liquid and now, with 7 month old permanent colostomy, must somehow rectify that.  

fergusc said...low cal (slimline) tonic water? I find it has no effect on my bg and yet is really good to drink.

Haven't seen it, but will look in drinks aisle and try. Is there a specific brand or flavor?

Thanks!