Thanks for all of your suggestions. I will have to reread them and sort out what I think might work..I do know that I won't be trying the salt thing..high blood pressure and a heart attack 3 yrs ago..don't think my cardiologist would like that!! I have been on lyrica and cymbalta for over 6 months so I guess I've my body time to adjust..it just isn't budging..in more ways than 1!! Everything I eat is high fiber, extra fiber, whole grain, fruit and veggies..I have been trying a dose of metamucil, 3 stool softeners and something I found on the internet..Fruiteze..a combo of prunes, dates, and raisens..not working... I made the flax muffin this a.m...we'll see what happens there..I used to eat ground flax seed in my oatmeal, but had not been doing so lately..will try to eat more of that...my concern is that is a lot of flax..any dangers there? Anyway, I will do my research and see what happens..thanks again.