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Posted 3/14/2013 12:01 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Robin,

How is everything going? Do you have an update on Mark ? If not, give us a synopsis of what you've been through for folks that haven't followed, if you don't mind :)

Nice to see you here again.

Hugs
Posted 3/14/2013 12:50 AM (GMT 0)
Mae,

  Thanks for the support.  The first 2 weeks I did well, and now as the realization sinks in, I have days that are hard...or days that I really can't concentrate..can't find my keys...coffee cup....etc.

  I have kept his FB open and once a week publish one of his writings (as diary of...)  and a picture that his family and friends have not seen.  That is kind of helpful. 

  It is hard to say my cat..my car...my home,,,instead of our.  It seems like everything has been our for so long.  The horses keep me busy..and that helps so much.  I knew it was important for me to keep many of them, so that I would have things I had to do...can't cover my head and stay in bed and mourn.  In fact, I left work early today, came home and covered up on the sofa, but finally got up to drive some hay to my little miniature herd.  They are so cute.

I am doing odds and ends that I have put off for a very long time, one a day so as not to feel overwhelmed.  Financially will take a while for me to get my feet back underneath me.  I am glad Spring is on it's way.  Lots of the volunteer organizations I worked with before he became ill are contacting me to volunteer to do things, but I don't want the responsiblity just now.  Need to work and just relax, if I can.

I called most of his traveling friends about his death and they spread word quickly through FB.  He and I made a list of all the people he wanted me to contact, so we had made that list together a long time ago. 

 I do have family here.  Our family was not a "touchy-feely" family about emotions and everyone is pretty much expected to deal with their own grief (German) and that is okay.  When I feel a need to socialize and feel that I am "good company", I will give them a call. 

Thanks for the candle lighting.  I am going to try to do more of it for myself now.  Also, planning to pamper myself, just haven't gotten to it yet.  Just straightening out my sleep pattern for now.  Take care.  Best to you.

Angie1953

Posted 3/15/2013 11:57 AM (GMT 0)
Hi all,
Not sure where to start here so people that don't know who I am understand my(our)situation.

In October of 2011 Mark was diagnosed with Cirrhosis of the liver. He had been diagnosed with Hep C about 5 yrs ago,but did nothing for it. Mark was a very heavy drinker,12 pack plus of beer at night,plus usually a pint of vodka. Weekends was a 30 pack a day plus the vodka and then added rum to it.

He was even a working Alcoholic,never even a hangover! In and out of rehab several times,to always go back to drinking as soon as he got out.
Things started to really go downhill in Dec of 2011,he ended up in the hospital with Acute Pancreatitis.

In February of 2012 he was back in the hospital for his first documented case of HE. He was given a yr or less to live at that time. At that time he/we began to realize how sick he really was and he decided to get sober and try to stay sober.

He has had a couple of set backs with his drinking,but both times he did it he ended up sicker and new problems. Mark now has Gastroenteritis,Gastroparesis,Portal hypertension, ascites,HE,Esophageal varies,Diabetes, Depression and of course the Hep C and Cirrhosis.

His diabetes is uncontrolled,he started out in the 150's-190's and now runs up as high as 408.

He is not a candidate for Transplant and Hep treatment,he is geno type 1a and because of set backs with drinking. And Liver Dr said no way can Mark handle treatment for Hep C,you need to be mentally stable because it is a difficult treatment,and most likely it would not work on him anyways.

In January he tried to commit suicide,should add this was not his first time,in the past 6 yrs,this was
his 4th time.

Mark sleeps all the time,gets up in the morning has breakfast,back to bed til -4-5 at night,gets up to eat and back to bed at 8pm.

Our whole like is in a turmoil, everything revolves around Mark and his wants and needs. I have an 11 yr old at home,and its hard because she has wants and needs also.I am many times torn in two!

The last thing I want to add is this, Mark does not have the fight in him to try and get better,he has let this disease over rule him. Sometimes that is the hardest part for me,I fight for him to get better,and he wont fight back!!

So this is my life. Day to day.

Robin

P.s.Feel free to fix my mistakes :)
Posted 3/15/2013 12:39 PM (GMT 0)
Robin, You are in a bad spot for sure.

Is he grumpy with you when he is awake? Are you having to do his personal grooming, helping to toilet or cleaning up if he has "mistakes"?

Is there hospice where you live to help sort through his downhill process? Can they help with your daughter also?

Bad things happen to good people...each of us is dying the day we are born. It is very hard to watch the people we love go full speed ahead to that end. Death is part of life. I'm sorry.

Carol
Posted 3/15/2013 1:14 PM (GMT 0)
Carol, He is grumpy 24/7. That drives me insane!

I know his ammonia is up again,and if I ask if he took his latulose he always says yes,but I know he doesn't. This morning I set the bottle and his cup right on top of his pill box so he couldn't forget!

As far as his grooming,he takes a shower about every 2 weeks or so,and wears the same clothes day after day,I set clean ones out and he will take the underwear and leave the rest. If he has a Dr appt he will get cleaned up and thats about it. This is the same person who took at least 2 showers a day!

We argued this morning about his blood sugars,he was 262 on his morning fast,I told him I was calling the Dr to get his meds adjusted,he argued with me and said its not always that high,his lowest reading for a morning fast was on 3/1 and he was at 134. He forgets I can go back through his meter and check all of his past results.

I don't believe he is sick enough for Hospice,Its his will to live and if he took his lactulose like he should things would be alot easier.

I am tired of hounding him to check his sugars,take his insulin,lactulose,ect,if he would just help me a little bit here,things could go alot smoother i think.

Another huge problem we have is this, in Sept 2011, here in Pennsylvania where we live we had a major flood,we lost everything we owned,house,furniture,clothes,just everything. We stayed with family for a while,then people started giving us donations of clothes and furniture,stuff to get us back on our feet. The government was wonderful (NOT) they gave us some money to get an apt,it was a horrible situation all the way around. That's when all the other bad things really started to happen.

We got a decent 3 bedroom half double,furnished by friends,family and strangers,enough beds for all 3 bedrooms even. But Mark will only sleep upstairs in my bed during the day,he will not sleep upstairs at night. My 11 yr old wont sleep in a room by herself now,so I put her bed in my bedroom so she would sleep, Everything bad happened at night,and I guess the 2 of them cant get past it all.

Here's one of our biggest problems,because Mark wont sleep upstairs in the bedroom at night, that has caused major problems,he goes to bed at 8pm,every night,once he turns off the lights we have to go upstairs,now at 53 yrs old,and my daughter being 11,to have to go to bed at 8 doesn't always go over good! I cant even have family or friends over ever at night time. I feel its a control issue with him,something he can control,that no one can take away,but Its wrong no matter how you look at it.
And then in the morning trying to get my daughter ready for school makes it hard,we have to tip toe around so we dont wake him up...It's all just getting old,but I don't know what to do except get more angry everyday here.

Mark wont give an inch and I give miles everyday!

Robin
Posted 3/15/2013 6:09 PM (GMT 0)
Robin, I'm so sorry that you and your daughter are going through this. Have you tried giving him his Lactulose yourself? Try it and give it on a schedule. If you have to give it more often or more of it, you can do that. And try to get him to sleep in his bed. Tell him that your daughter needs to live as normal a life as possible. She needs to come first, not him.

Hugs,
Connie
Posted 3/16/2013 2:49 AM (GMT 0)
Hello Everyone!!

Many up's and downs in the past 2 weeks. I think I am running on excitement for my nephew. There has been so many things that have come his way through Family and Friends.

But I will take much credit for some. I say this because I love this Gift I have. I have always loved him. I was angry for quite a while after he had to live with us. Not angry at him but his parents for not changing for this young boy.

I am still working on many good things for him. Karate starts for him in April. Still a surprise I will use to pick him up. He has been struggling so lately. I have done much work to his room. Organizing and making room to grow.

I have contacted Tony Hawk (pro skateboarder) every which way I could google a contact to him. He loves Tony Hawk but can't skateboard too well. I can't show him how.I don't mend so quickly these days!

It has paid off. His Public Relations called me today. They have been touched by my telling them of my nephew and his so recently deceased parents. I included a photo of him and his new bike and gear.

They are sending a package for him.An autographed skateboard, a video of boarding tips and some other things I didn't catch. I was so thrilled about her call, I was crying Thanking her and didn't catch it all. Tony is traveling but upon his return he will contact my nephew. Should be next week.

Another blue day surprise to put a smile on his face. His school bought a bike I told them he liked. His teacher added gear to his bike. He loves it all. I have been sending Thank You cards but it just doesn't seem enough for the smile and distractions they have put into his days. And mine.

Camping in Kentucky next weekend. He has never been to Kentucky with us or camping ever. So he will like this as well. Another surprise. I can't tell him too soon, he would worry me hourly as to how many more days before we go. He is a good traveler. He went to upstate N.Y. with us last year and he was great.

My fight for life has been turned to him. He is going to benefit from all that is put in our paths. I want him to know that there is good in life too. He will when he has some time behind all of his sadness and heartache through the last 2 years.

Grief classes haven't begun yet through Hospice. I am waiting patiently and staying busy showing my nephew as much as I can that one can achieve through persistence, Prayer, and a positive outlook.


A.Ziffle, I liked your reply " We just deal with the facts and look for a brighter tomorrow .

Very true, at least in my world today. I have noticed that so much worry has been lifted but I miss my brother. I am sorry my nephew had to lose both parents. It didn't have to be but it is what they made it. My nephew has great things heading him in the right direction.

Good influences I hope will keep him moving forward. I have lightened up on him. He gets to ride in the road but only from one designated area to the other. He is going to thin me out and lighten my hair but I am Blessed by his presence.

Love and Many Prayers,
ALisa
Posted 3/16/2013 4:06 AM (GMT 0)
Alisa, this is one very fortunate little boy to have you rooting for him and planning good life experiences. Aside from being a top skate boarder, Tony Hawk seems to be a very nice guy. So I'm not surprised that you got a positive response.

I hope that the hospice grief counseling will help. Your nephew is going to have strong feelings about the loss of both his parents. I went through something similar as an adult in my late 20s. My dad committed suicide through gunshot wound to the head. My response was to start using IV drugs for 18 mos., as I couldn't handle the amount of anger and pain I was feeling. Thus, the diagnosis of hep C in '93. My mother was an alcoholic and slowly killing herself with booze. She offered no support to me regarding my dad's death. In fact, she said something very vulgar about him. Alcohol affected her brain and I had to cut off communication with her. So did my sister.

I think your nephew will have a much better chance of getting past these losses, thanks to your loving and giving heart.

Hugs,
Connie
Posted 3/16/2013 11:11 AM (GMT 0)
Amongmany,
Wow, what a wonderful person to jump in with both feet to help you nephew in so many ways. Your nephew is so lucky to have you. Thanks for sharing. Nice to hear such good news. Sounds like you do have a wonderful gift that your brother left behind.
Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing all your good news.
Angie1953
Posted 3/16/2013 11:40 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Connie. I have confidence that he will do well as long as he has good influences and help to strengthen him. He has given me a better outlook in life as well.

I feel much more alive than I have in many years. I can't be a reclusive person with him to lead in the right direction. I often thinkabout how I had to help my brother die.I know this will hit very hard when I have to deal with it.

I think about how I am at peace that he finally let me help him. But Oh my, what I had to endure along the way and especially that day. I don't know of anything ever in my life that hard. Nor do I ever want to have to do this again.


They say people excess over their inadequacy. I think this is where my persistence feeds from. I am not that strong person that some think I am. I fall short without the help of others. I believe if I could put myself in a sound proof room, I would scream and cry until I was unable to speak.

I am still in shock about that Sunday. The sadness I feel that LJ lived such a life so less of his worth. He lived what he felt he deserved. I tried so hard to get him to believe differently. He allowed the consequences of his addiction to drain every ounce of self worth.

I have much work to do with myself. I have dropped a few pounds lately and glad about this. I am looking less like a weeble (weebles wobble but they don't fall down as the old commercial went) and more like the original me.

I am alive and must work on well!!!! Mentally and physically. We are looking for adult bicycles. We are 3 I tell my nephew and he and I are a team. Warming up and time to get out of the house.

I wanted to get rid of the bed my brother died on but my husband says it won't bother anyone to sleep on it. I question that but I don't have all the say in our home so I will leave it and if someone does feel uncomfortable then it will be taken away. It doesn't bother me. I still go in there and hold his coat as if I were hugging him. I cry and tell him I am so sorry and then I close the door.

Love and Many Prayers,
Alisa
Posted 3/16/2013 11:57 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Angie1953. We crossed in cyber space. My nephew's counselor took him to laser tag so I sat up until they got back just after 11pm. I sat and thought Oh My, I trust her and know he is in good hands but what about when he gets older and Oh My!!

I went to bed near midnight and he woke me at 2ish because he had been sleep walking and awoke in the bedroom his father died in. I had him lay beside me and go back to sleep. Up at 4am I was, to get the hubby off to work. I didn't have to, I always fix him and his son (he works with him) something breakfast biscuit or sandwich related.

Couldn't go back to bed so I found a good time to drop off some thoughts rolling around in my head. I don't have much time lately to do so. I have all legal business tended to. My nephew will receive survivor benefits from LJ but his mother didn't work enough to contribute. I have one more appointment Monday for his insurance, TennCare, and any other benefits he will receive through Dept. of Human Services.

He will never need for anything and his wants are a good way to learn to work for things. I tell him we don't have things handed to us. If we want it bad enough then we work for it and appreciate it worth so much more.

I know he will go far in life as long as I continue my goals for him and teach him to set goals as well!!

Love and Many Prayers,
Alisa
Posted 3/17/2013 1:32 PM (GMT 0)
Alisa,
I am happy to hear that something so good can come out of something so terribly sad ! I think things can only get better for you all,especially with your nephew,he sure has alot of love surrounding him !
Robin
Posted 3/18/2013 1:39 PM (GMT 0)
You ladies, and a few gents, are a wealth of kindness and compassion, and I for one, am very grateful for all you do. You're too numerous to name and I'd be afraid of omitting someone, but you know who you are.

With all the horrible situations you each have gone through, or are still experiencing, you selflessly take time out of your busy days to offer advice and comfort to others.

There's a special place in heaven for you all. Thank you so much.

Hugs,
Posted 3/20/2013 12:54 AM (GMT 0)
My hubby has been gone one month now as of last Friday and I thought I was doing well, but had a huge meltdown this weekend.

My niece's 19 year old best friend was killed in a car accident and I just melted down all weekend. :( Better today, but still am so surprised to come unglued like that after all I've been through. Hope all of you caregivers are hanging in there.

Thinking of those of you still dealing with this horrible disease.
Angie1953
Posted 3/20/2013 1:11 AM (GMT 0)
Angie, such a tragedy when a young one dies unexpectedly. And that triggered your loss of Phil. Your meltdown sounds to me like a normal response.

Hugs,
Connie
Posted 3/20/2013 1:13 AM (GMT 0)
Angie

I think that's how grief works.

Sneaks up on you when you are not expecting it.

Anniversaries, tv shows, the moon...

So many of our members are struggling with so many emotions.

Good thing we humans are so resilient

Hugs to you today.
E
Carol
Posted 3/20/2013 9:51 AM (GMT 0)
Angie,

You earned that meltdown, and I hope it was cathartic for you. You can only be so strong for so long before your emotions take over.

And it's only been 4 weeks, don't be hard on yourself. Good that you have all those fond memories of Phil to fall back on when times get tough.

So sorry for your niece, and her friend and family.

Hugs
Posted 3/20/2013 2:03 PM (GMT 0)
Angie,

The same thing applies after a death as it does before a death, one day at a time! If you expect to much of yourself,you will be setting yourself up for a let down.

You will have good days,and bad days,but each one will be different for a different reason. Hang in there,you are going to be ok! And I am so sorry for the loss of your nieces best friend.

Thinking of you,
Robin
Posted 3/20/2013 8:22 PM (GMT 0)
Angie,

As the others have said, you will have set backs, it is over 8 months for me and I still have unexpected meltdowns. Sleepless nights. apathetic days at work. But sudden losses are the worst and it all comes crashing back. Sometimes I have a hard time even reading the posts as everyone seems like family now and it just seems too much to think about.

But it does get a little easier as time goes by, and the meltdowns, while just as intense, don't seem to last as long. You are really still a newbie at this, same as I was, even though we knew for so long it was coming. It doesn't matter. We still have to go through this process, and it will be different for each of us.

As always, I keep the candles burning for us all.

Peace,

Marie

Posted 3/21/2013 12:47 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you all for the support.  I just want to be back to "normal" as quickly as I can.  I really don't like to feel so vulnerable all the time, like I will weep at the drop of a hat.

I will try to take it more a day, or an hour at a time, like  you all suggest.  Sometimes I think I can just PUSH my way through this, and avoid a long painful grieving period.  Especially because I knew this was going to happen a long time ago (although I guess we all know we will lose our loved ones, it's just when it is up close that it has such an impact, I guess).

My 19 year old niece is so devastated over loosing her best friend...but she is trying to be so upbeat.  (I see that runs in our family.)

Again, thanks for the support...and the candles.  I have one burning most all the time now. It is comforting to me, I guess.

Thinking of all of you fighting this disease and your caregivers, and those of us whose loved ones have moved on.  Hang in there.

Angie1953

Posted 3/28/2013 3:33 PM (GMT 0)
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Posted 3/28/2013 7:56 PM (GMT 0)
Can I vent? Can I feel a little sorry for myself as a caregiver?

Most probably know 'our' story - I feel like everything I do is about 'us and our and we'.....all the way down to 'we had a transplant'.

Okay, here it is in a nutshell. Husband was diagnosed with Hep C (1992-1993), he went through 2 different trials and was a non-responder. Fast forward to liver cancer, liver transplant, bile duct surgery, spot on his lung (they told us it was probably cancer - thank goodness - it wasn't), rare fungal disease in his lungs - mucormycosis, suicidal thoughts due to his pain medication (was placed in a facility for 3 days), hallucinations due to medication, laid off of his job of 28 years, depression, depression, depression, weakness and passing out for several months ( just about every time he stood up), heart attack and triple bypass surgery. Last week I had to call the ambulance because he didn't know who he was or where he was - he was hospitalized for 3 days - they think it was a reaction to medication or dementia (he does show signs of 'sundowners' every now and then).

I feel like his nurse maid, mother, sister and absolutely - not his wife. TMI - we haven't been intimate in years (and I'm only 55). I am tired - I am depressed - sometimes I just want to walk away from it all - it's too much!

Today he has the 'cough crud' I'm still getting over (for the past week) - and of course, I have to hear - because his immune system is so weak - he's sicker than I could ever be.

I work full time - have a photography business - 6 grandchildren, a son who's wife left him last night (mother of 3 of our grandchildren) - and the little stuff - my husband is supposed to be in charge of dishes, and just doing the laundry - not bringing it down from upstairs or putting it away......I've worn the same pair of black socks for 4 days - because if I put them in the dirty clothes basket - who knows when they will be clean.

I think sometimes - is this all there is? Seriously, really? Will I live this life and die this unhappy? Yes, I know there are many people who have lost their loved ones - and I really don't want to hear how much I should cherish our time together - because I'm just about 'cherished out'. I never vent, I never complain and today, at this moment, I need to be selfish.....for the time it takes to complete this post - I am the most selfish person you'll ever meet....and that's okay - today.

You might say counseling? Well, who has time for that? I've used all my sick time for my husband (last week I went to work with a raging fever because I don't have any sick days). I have fibromyalgia, anxiety, diagnosed with OCD, depression and ADD - I've had 2 knee surgeries in the past 5 years (in which I did over Thanksgiving and then Christmas break - so not to miss time out of work - and returned to work 2 weeks too early each time). So taking time off for counseling - when it comes down to it - nothing a counselor can tell me - can change anything that's happening to 'US'!

I love my husband (21 years) - really - because if I didn't - I wouldn't have spent the last 5 years or so - researching all my husband's diseases - and being his medical advocate - and caring for him in every which way known to man.

I guess I just needed to vent - to explode - and hopefully someone can talk me off the edge.

Thanks for listening.

Pam
Posted 3/28/2013 8:18 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Pam,

I know this has to be very tough. I am glad you can vent, but it really sounds like you need some serious "me" time. Is there anyone that can step up and at least give you a couple hours here and there to go and chill (or hit something if it makes you feel better) ?

Marie
Posted 3/28/2013 8:40 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Pam,
Sorry to hear all of this. I remember corresponding with you prior to Ron's transplant and for a while after that. At one point I remember that he was back playing golf. This is a tough situation and I can't imagine how hard it has made your life. All I can say is that my domestic partner of 16 years abandoned me shortly before my transplant, saying she didn't want to be my nurse. I was taking care of myself, but she thought things might get worse and didn't want to stick around to see. Having said that, I admire your fortitude, even at the price you've had to pay. If you love someone, sticking with them is what it's all about. Being a caretaker is much more difficult than being the patient. Thank you from someone that didn't get what they needed from their partner.
Posted 3/28/2013 8:41 PM (GMT 0)
Oh, Pam...vent away...what a mess!!!!!

I followed your posts for a long long time, as Ron got his transplant not long before Mike. If it wasn't for your blog with the photos I would have been so frightened to see Mike that first day after...tubes up every place that a tube might fit!  You have been my shining star....if Ron and Pam could go through this, we could make it too.

And now is now.

They never say that a transplant makes you young again.  I means you have a chance at more time than you might have.  Mike would be gone almost two years without that transplant and though things are not GREAT, he is alive and has had some extra time with the children, grandchildren and friends.

Like Ron, Mike has had other problems.  He had a gigantic incisional hernia repair...opened more than half the original incision and put mesh over a football sized hernia...pushed it back in and it was recuperation all over again.

He had a bum shoulder and had that repaired after waiting 3 years to be well enough for that surgery....and it was recuperation all over again.

Everything seems a big deal. He was in hospital 3 days for a colonoscopy! And his BP flew over the roof...again with that one.

I can so relate to the feelings that this has been going on forever.

I haven't posted this yet, but Mike has been sleeping 15-20 hours a day again.  His BP this morning was 96/57 and his pulse was 53.  This has gone on for a while. We have call into transplant and cardiology.  His next appointments are the second week in April, but I don't know if it can wait.

Like Ron, Mike has cardiac problems also.  He needs an aortic valve and they are holding out until it is an emergency, hoping with each passing day he will be stronger and it will be closer to the time they can do one of those new procedures where they go through your leg and up with a catheter to the valve....no open heart surgery. Those surgeries are not without risk, but if you need it, you need it. 

In the past month I have begun to feel like "IT" is starting all over again.  Mike isn't unreasonable (yet), but I agree, it is always about him. Totally.

On Saturday my daughter, son in law and 2 of the 6 grandchildren are due in FL from NY.  For Easter. I see them 2 or 3 times a year and I really really miss them.  I used to fly up at the drop of a hat....for birthdays, etc. But since Mike has been ill, I don't go often. And since the prices of the flights are so high now....

But I just don't know if he can manage the visit.  We had planned some nice side trips with the children and I don't think he can manage the long days, confusion, loud boy sounds.  Maybe we 5 will go on a little trip and leave him home with my sister willing to check in on him.

I hear how frustrated you are with how long Ron has been ill.  You have your hands full.  However, I am certain IF he could do the laundry, he would.  Maybe you could train the dogs....lol.

How I felt was that I COULD do everything that needed to be done...but doing it with Mr. Grumpy Pants-Sour puss on the couch critizing me every second made me resentful and frustrated. I don't have much of that now. But I do have Mr. I'm Going to Die any minute,  poor me. Lots of sighing and such.

I bet it totally sucks to have gone through the transplant thing and not to be CURED totally.  Mike is 25% of the man he was.  Fortunately, he has no HE though his Viral Load is high and, like Connie, has been passed over for treatment with the 3 drug program....until a non Interferon based protocol is available for post transplant patients (that is covered by his insurance)...maybe next year they say.

It must be hard to know that post transplant your life expectancy, especially if you still have Hep C, is compromised....I doubt Mike will see 70.  Sounds like Ron may have a shortened life as well.

Mike started on a new antidepressant and we are hoping that helps.  Please God that it helps...he sits, reads, naps and eats..once a day he goes to the post office and sometimes does some grocery shopping...that is IT.

No wonder they make folks go through a psych evaluation before trasplant....this sure tests the body and mind!

I'm glad you posted and hope stick around when you have a few minutes in your busy schedule.  I tried counseling last time...but found THIS was more theraputic.

Hugs your way,Pam,

Carol

PS:  I give you permissiosn to stop at WalMart on the way home and buy more socks!!!!

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