How low on the right side does liver pain go?

New Years was great.  We had a lot of friends over here and partied all night and morning.  My pain is back (I didn't drink thaty much???) I assume it is Crohn's.  I have the Croohn's in the bend of the colon on the right side so I get pain on the bottom of the rib cage/right side. 

Is it possible to have problems but normal AST/ALT (they are extremely normal) along with other blood tests????

My GI seems to not worry, but he doesn't have the pain in that area, and occasionally I want to believe that the pain may be too high for Crohn's?

Hi Jon Hope New Years eve didn't bother your Crohns. What is Crohns like?

Not much different than the liver except for the periods of a really sore feeling kinda like a fres cut , occassionally I get a pain under the ribs that just about brings me to my knees & makes it hard to breathe or cough.Only a couple times a week Thank God for that! And wouldn't you know it , it only happens at night when I'm sleeping & wakes me of course, or when I'm just about asleep.With the doubling over pain you can't lay down , sit down No relief at all. But it doesn't last too long, & when it's over it's like it never happened. We had a fantastic New Years eve too. But of course with no drinks. Glad you had a good New Years! Hope you didn't do your health any harm tho. later....

Yep it comes & can't wait till it goes! Sorry I'm in pain now, can you tell? Anyway yes it does come & go thank God it doesn't stay. I wouldn't be able to handle that. the more severe pain feels like somebody stabbed you & then twisting the knife the soreness is more consistant but I can handle that tho feel sore more & more last 4 months.But yaeah it does come & go. Does your pain move because of the fact that your bowels are always on the move? Crohns is a bowel disease isn't it?later.... & I hope your feeling better.

Hi Jon,With liver disease you get that fullness feeling too. Kinda like you guts are going to fall out. How do you deal with the discomfort & pain etc. ?

Hi Jon, Well I'll try to explain the way it is for me as best I can,The soreness, goes under the rib in upper right side, this seems to be where the whole of things start. then it goes across to around the stomach area. it goes just up to the breast bone & maybe about an inch higher & radiates across above the stomach to the left,stopping just about !/2 way across breast bone to left. The more severe pain is right under right rib with pain in shoulders & radiates into back. The fullness when I get it Is like being pregnant from the belly button up. I get a lot of pressure almost constantly under right rib.The pain sometimes radiates down on right side 3 inches above belt line.They say my liver is double its normal size due to scar tissue caused by dead & dammaged cells.I hope this answers you question.Does Crohns spread to other parts of the bowel?Take care & God Bless. Later....

I have severe advanced cirhosis with complications thereof,due to prescription drugs.(my story is on page 1 here)My kidneys keep try ing to fail. I get monitored regularily for liver failure (flf) & every 6 months for liver cancer.They told me 9 years ago I had 2 weeks to live 4 commas later Here I am in my 10th year. I stay as active as possible(that's not much)Sometimes I feel like giving up but I'm far too stuborn for that. I try to take care of myself no matter how bad oe confused I feel'I find something good in each day & come online to bug everybody here.No It is not treatable & they say I don't qualify for a transplant. They forget they are only Drs., not God & I will go when He says so, Not when the Dr. saying. I get so fed-up With ther continual Time frames because they can only guess. They say I'm a true survivor. I say it's just not my time yet & I'll dig my heels in every step of the way. Must work cause I'm still here. Gets pretty rough sometimes But ... Jon don't be sorry to ask me anything, you don't learn or share experiences if you don't ask.Ok? I just got my scooter today so now my husband & I can go out for walks or whatever for short periods of time. That helps. I cannot however go anywhere alone due to the hepatic encephalopathy.I'll tell you what that is next time if you want to know. Will you ever get better with the Crohns? What kind of treatment do you take? God Bless. later....

Thanks Jon, your on my prayer list too. Does it bother you that I'm in here all the time? Does it bother you I ask so many questions about your condition? later....

Hi,Thankyou Hep93. You Just made my day a much better one , thankyou & God Bless.

I have cirrhosis of the liver. I found out on April 21st 1998. The Dr at hospital said that I needed a liver biopsy which involved a procedure where they take a liver sample by sticking an instrument into my right side and taking liver tissue.

I was all prepared in my mind to have it done but then was told that it wasn’t possible in my case and that they had to get a liver sample by way of a trans-jugular liver biopsy. I had to go back home.

So, at a later date, I went into hospital (by appointment) and they dressed me in gowns and made me sit in a wheel chair. I was then pushed down to the theatre and had the procedure done. I had to lie down (without any anthesthetic apart from something injected into my hand, which had no effect on me) whilst the surgeon inserted a rod into the left side of my neck with some special type of machine. It felt like having a twig made of iron forced down my jugular vein. I could feel it going across my chest to my right side where the liver sits. One blessing though is that it was done quite quickly.

Anyways, I thought to myself that they now might be able to treat me with the pain and discomfort around my liver.

I’ll describe the pain: it feels like – nipping, hot burning, pins and needles and a tearing sensation. My condition is aggravated by any sources of heat, for example, radiators, hot air, clothing, and so on. I’ve been tortured with this pain every single day for over seven years.

I’ve tried all sorts of treatment at the hospital’s pain clinic: medication, acupuncture, nerve-block injections, TENS machine and so on. Nothing works! When I’ve made enquiries with the heptologist at the liver department he just abruptly tells me that people don’t feel pain in their liver. It makes me really angry when he says it.

Does anyone here know of any ideas how to alleviate the pain and discomfort caused by cirrhosis. I’d be eternally grateful for any solutions.

Simon.

Lerie, I believe the reason they don't give anything prior to the liver biopsy is because they want the liver to be as free from chemicals as possible, to get a clear look at the sample they remove and analyze.  I was given a shot of Demerol afterwards, as I had severe back pain immediately after the biopsy.

As for the liver not hurting: There are thousands of people with liver disease out there who would be happy to debate the subject of pain with that hepatologist, and refute his notion that the liver doesn't feel pain.

Lerie, then this is a perfect example of everybody's disease being different.  ;)

Virtual hugs,

Connie