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Posted 5/12/2011 2:30 PM (GMT 0)
I noticed my fingernails have started very slightly rounding off over the fingertips and widening (clubbing) - another symptom for me to ignore until I cant anymore.   Dam it I thought stopping drinking would help and yet things generally now seem to be getting worse - even though only a few weeks ago I was getting more confident. 

Getting depressed aswell now because fear is creeping back into my head about leaving the boys behind.

Sometimes I think "just dont go there" - thinking of the situation makes me unable to think straight - no conclusions - EVER. 

In some respects - Im thinking I would probably have been gone about 6 months ago if I had carried on - and that ive had some extra time with the family - thank god I at least stopped drinking to earn that bit of time.

Anyway - whilst searching for clubbing - I found a general article (well more aimed at ascites treatment)  http://www.easl.eu/assets/application/files/21e21971bf182e5_file.pdf

It covers quite a lot I suppose.

 

Posted 5/12/2011 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
Please please please, go to the doctor! I know it is scary, but you talk about leaving the boys behind. Even if you were critical, the meds would help with time.

I really dont know what to tell you about the clubbing, dont know anything about it. However, if you are sick because of the drinking, then when you stopped the damage you were doing should have stopped.

Natalie
Posted 5/12/2011 2:54 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Natalie - its a journey and im nearing that point in it now I think. Ive said that before I know. If these nails go rounding off though - then its the biggest kick ive had yet. My better half is also trying to force me to go aswell (I think - but am not sure - that she too has been trying along with me to deny anything is wrong but this last one - the nails - is hard to ignore) and its getting harder on her.
Posted 5/12/2011 3:03 PM (GMT 0)
For the sake of yourself, your "better half" and your boys, some answers need to be sought. I am not trying to be pushy, so please dont take it that way. Your wife will know better what is going on and how to help you, and you will find out all your options.

I take care of my Mother in Law, who is in end stage, and it is rough, so if you can catch it before it is too late, you may be able to avoid it.

Good luck and take care
Natalie
Posted 5/12/2011 4:41 PM (GMT 0)

Apparently, "clubbing of the nails" is more common in certain lung and cardiac disorders.  It happens with cirrhosis but more commonly due to PBC (primary biliary cirrhosis).

Just go to the doctor.  Everyone else here does and we are/have been in far worse shape than you are, I'm sure.

Posted 5/12/2011 5:43 PM (GMT 0)
hey mr E. one fellow brit to another, get to the doctor, you did the hardest bit and stopped drinking. now man up and get to the docs!!!!! you should really listen to your better half, and you want to be a good dad so set an example, go see the doctors and show youre boys the right way to go about rectifying bad mistakes!. tell them your fears and they will help you.
my hubby has this clubbing of the fingers too. go get seen. do it for your wife and for your boys. make them proud.xxnatasha.xx
Posted 5/12/2011 6:28 PM (GMT 0)
"Apparently, "clubbing of the nails" is more common in certain lung and cardiac disorders."

Exactly, Dany.
Posted 5/12/2011 9:05 PM (GMT 0)
Mike did have that happen too... but we knew his diagnosis... E... u could have a heart thing goin on... and something reversible... hmmm sure would be nice to hear you saw a doc... Sandi
Posted 5/12/2011 9:34 PM (GMT 0)
Its **fairly** common in Cirrhosis.

Hey up - one day I will say ive been. Keep treading the water - youve got the thoughts and prayers of many (me included without doubt whatsoever) to act as buoyancy.
Posted 5/12/2011 10:00 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, clubbed fingers is common with cirrhosis but it is also something that can happen with no underlying cause. 

Why don't you just go to the doctor and get some initial blood tests done without mentioning your fears.  You will be able to tell fairly quickly if there is something up with your liver through simple blood tests ie: platelets, albumim etc.....like I have said before I was an alcoholic for 20+ years and have Hep C on top of that. I was very afraid before I was diagnosed formally by a doctor and imagined I had red hands, spider nevi etc but after testing by a doctor it has come back that I only have fibrosis stage 1, so my point is.....not everyone who drinks heavily gets cirrhosis!! it is a very individual condition and you in all probability will be one of the lucky ones who do not get cirrhosis. 

 

Posted 5/12/2011 10:14 PM (GMT 0)
Instead of spending so much time combing through the Internet for symptoms, illness and forums - take that time - get on the phone - make a doctor appointment - and go!

If I were your wife I would be totally fed up with you dragging your feet - think of the misery you're laying on your wife - her worrying - when a doctor appointment would either allow you a sigh of relief - or the knowledge you need to fight this disease.

I may have to leave this forum - between the 'addiction issues' and heaping plates full of denial - it's just too much sometimes.
Posted 5/12/2011 10:46 PM (GMT 0)
That article from European Association for the Study of the Liver will be a good one for people to read who have ascites on here.
Posted 5/12/2011 11:24 PM (GMT 0)
Hepmom, yes - its a very informative study of groups - the outcomes - and (for me - improtantly) some of the reasoning behind the selection of certain meds and combinations and restrictions at a non-scientific level.

I consider I need that kind of information when speaking with a doctor when I do finally get there - I will want to know EXACTLY why I am being led up the garden path - if I am. When I go - there will be no more of me not understanding them speaking in riddles to me.
Posted 5/13/2011 5:58 AM (GMT 0)
There is nothing wrong with doing your own research. The professor I see likes that I have knowledge about what he is talking about. It makes his job easier.
Posted 5/13/2011 5:02 PM (GMT 0)
Okay Mr E. I am trying to be pushy........Get your kister to a doctor. Quit being a sissy lala!!!!! I am not trying to be rude.......but someone needs to give you a quick kick in the you know what. You know how important it is to get a proper diagnosis. Please email me.

Thoughts and prayers..........
Posted 5/13/2011 5:20 PM (GMT 0)
EEEEEEEEE HHHHHaaaaaa.... Sissy Lala... thats a new word for my dictionary... hey E... get thine but to the doc... u r so lucky u r living where I dont... Id load ur but up put cork in ur mouth... and itd be a done done deal.. however until that.... go ... Sandi
Posted 5/13/2011 5:22 PM (GMT 0)
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

:/
Posted 5/13/2011 5:33 PM (GMT 0)
E get out of the hot tub... quit feelin grumpy.... and get your mo jo on and move ur arse to the dr.... argh.... is so EEEish Sandi... piratish too
Posted 5/13/2011 5:37 PM (GMT 0)
ha ha ha piratish,,,, LOVE that word,,, its great!!!! he he he.x
Posted 5/13/2011 5:40 PM (GMT 0)
Ok - what I mean is "BOLLOCKS" :)

:/
Posted 5/13/2011 5:43 PM (GMT 0)
nice!!!!! that would be ok if it wasnt bothering you. it OBVIOUSLY is bothering you so go to a doctor. they are the ONLY people on the planet that can advise you on YOUR situation. once you know what is or isnt wrong, THEN you do your research?!!!! xxnatasha.xx
Posted 5/13/2011 5:49 PM (GMT 0)
I think thats where my brain is up to - FRIED with too much thinking, dreaming (nightmares), worrying, yo-yo'ing

You know - WifeofD said it I think the other day - "im fed up of hearing myself moaning" or something along those lines.

I think im at the stage where im fed up of worrying, thinking going round and round and round in circles.

Maybe its a sign im getting close to giving up and going.

Crud - I went to a and e today with my son who thought it a great idea to stick a piece of plastic up his nose - im only 15 mins away and I was considering asking them if they did emergency oesophagal banding if I had a burst as im only 10 mins away.

Crazy - totally crazy is this situation.

Im not as depressed today though as I have been this week - I admit I was closer than ever this week to throwing the towel in and just going aswell.

Maybe the next time I get down about it all - I will feel sick and low enough to go. A rock bottom if you like - the point at which you know theres no holding off anymore.
Posted 5/13/2011 5:52 PM (GMT 0)
I know everyone is correct.

Enough of me - hows your husband doing - has he only had 3L today Wifeof? Has he moved out yet?
Posted 5/13/2011 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
Sandi - thank god you dont live near me!!!!! LOL
:)
Praise be to the Atlantic Ocean - I never thought i'd hold it in such reverance!
Posted 5/13/2011 5:57 PM (GMT 0)
Mr. E-were you aware that if you were under a doctor's care, and the doctor gave you a dx of cirrhosis...you would have an endoscopy to check for varices? And IF you did have them they could be banded as part of the endo exam? AND the doctor would prescribe blood pressure medication for you to reduce the chance of a bleed. Did you know that if you have an esphogeal bleed there is a 50% chance of dying from that bleed? Why not go to the doctor? Take positive action for your health. Quit whining. Start doing. Your made a Jedi reference. Yoda said something along the lines of there is no try. Only do or not do. It is time for you to DO.
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