Soviet Technology might work on antibiotic resitant infections

I've heard of this and consider it to be a dangerous way to deal with infections...basically one is substituting one infection for another. What happens when the second infection gets out of control? I don't think there is nearly enough information known about this for it to be used safely. Just my humble opinion...

STrange -- but shortly before penicillin was discovered, there was a Dr who received a Nobel prize for his work on syphillis. He injected patients w/ malaria, causing spiking fevers. Some patients were cured of the syphillis and needless to say, some died. I do not remember his name, but found this while out there researching.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I give presentations on phage therapy and can indicate that there is lots of science to indicate that it works. Below a handout I use:      Superbugs, Phage Therapy: Getting Beyond Truthiness!

The following headlines might have appeared in Canada:

1917: Canadian microbiologist, Felix d'Herelle, discovers natural nanotechnology, bacteriophage therapy, that can cure and prevent superbug infections and foodborne bacterial disease.

2008: Canadians continue to suffer and die unnecessarily from superbug infections and foodborne disease because Canada is too venal to approve and use natural nanotechnology, bacteriophage therapy, discovered by Canadian microbiologist, Felix d'Herelle in 1917.

While 8000 to 12000 Canadians are dying from antibiotic-resistant superbug infections annually the joke is on us, as some countries still practice technology discovered by the Canadian, Felix d'Herelle in 1917. Phage therapy uses highly specific viruses, bacteriophages, which are harmless for humans, to treat bacterial infections. Phage therapy is not currently approved or practiced in Canada. According to a letter signed by a former federal health minister it can be made available legally to Canadians under the Special Access Program of our Food & Drugs Act! A discussion of phage therapy is currently very timely because of the release of the Canadian film: Killer Cure: The Amazing Adventures of Bacteriophage and the book by Thomas Haeusler entitled, Viruses vs. Superbugs, a solution to the antibiotics crisis? ( see http://www.bacteriophagetherapy.info ). Both references are available at Ottawa libraries.
This file has dramatically changed because the US Food and Drug Administration has amended the US food additive regulations to provide for the safe use of a bacteriophages on ready-to-eat meat against Listeria monocytogenes (see http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/02f-0316-nfr0001.pdf ). Also http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/opabacqa.html . The idea that ready-to-eat meat can be treated if contaminated with Listeria bacteria while a doctor could not get a pharmaceutical grade phage therapy product when faced with a patient suffering listeriosis strikes this author as absurd especially considering the recent massive recall of ready-to-eat meat in Canada due to contamination with listeria. Information is available on phage therapy treatment in Georgia , Europe ( http://www.phagetherapycenter.com ), or Poland - ( http://www.aite.wroclaw.pl/phages/phages.html ) or more recently at the Wound Care Center, Lubbock, Texas ( http://www.woundcarecenter.net/ ) .
Canada should establish 'The Superbug Victim Felix d'Herelle Memorial Center for Experimental Phage Therapy' to provide phage therapy to patients when antibiotics fail or when patients are allergic to antibiotics.

Allow me to just elaborate a little more. If a disease is caused by a bacterium then there is every likelyhood that there are bacteriophages that will kill that bacterium. If you consider that the lytic bacteriophage is a virus that causes a fatal disease of the bacterium (and there are now good techniques to isolate, purify and administer phages) there is no reason why it should not work for most bacterial diseases.  While I am not specifically aware of the research that has been done on Lyme disease, I would recommend you google "The next phage" for an interesting story on phage therapy at the Wound Care Center in Lubbock, Texas and start writing to your elected representatives to demand that phage therapy be made available when antibiotics fail.

good to hear, sorry maybe I should of been more clear, has anyone with chronic lyme d been cured with antibiotics ,
did she have chronic Lyme?, if caught early antibiotics do the job ,ive heard of that in many cases , but most of us that are not so lucky and have chronic presisting lyme antibiotics dont seem to be doing the job, in result we are stuck looking for alternative treatments, so I would say antibiotics with me have failed so far , I have tried antibiotics for 2 years straight with no luck, some relief but not a cure for me it kills my stomach with yeast and I lose so much weight cause i cant eat properly, and yes I take tons of probiotics,yeast and sugar free diets,etc. ,ive tried everything under the sun, i think antibiotics puts my body at risk and weakens my system, when off them I function alot better

here is a link to phage center The Republic Of Georgia thats been treating patients with bacteria infections for over 80 yrs , I just like to research and keep an open mind to alternative therapys when the ones we are trying are not sucessful, and with every die off you should detox, I think antibiotics are more toxic then Phage and will be an easier detox to our bodies, I would think so, it should be researched thoroughly before doing

I am a retired microbiologist and do not have lyme disease. I have known a couple of people who have had lyme before I retired and before I started researching the literature on phage therapy. I now give talks on three topics: Phage therapy, the academic literature on bullcrap and food safety - if you are interested in looking at some of my stuff go to http://bullcrapcitynorth.blogspot.com.

There are several companies in the USA doing phage therapy research - go to http://www.bacteriophagetherapy.info and you can find who is doing what worldwide - the research has been done. Phages do not stress the body as they harmlessly disappear once they have munched up all the available bacteria. Bacteriophages are very common where ever bacteria are found and among other things probably account for why rivers like the Ganges are considered healing - that is where the first hint that phages exist was discovered in 1896 and they have been used to treat infections since about 1920. A quick way to find out more is to get the book - Viruses vs. Superbugs - 2006 - here in Canada it is available in soft cover from the shelf in large book stores.

Thanks, Phdkso, i will read up on your links, sounds like a good treatment to try and i have tried everything thus far, i will do more reaserch, and if anyone knows of any Lymie that has done this therapy would be useful in getting there input on there treatment and if it worked for them, and Phdkso the couple of people you knew with Lyme d do you know if they were cured with Phage? or what did happen to them

Thanks for all the info, anything else you can provide let me know, or you can email me aswell

I still think this is risky. How do we know the virus (phage) will die off once the bacteria it attacks is dead? What if it doesn't die but goes dormant instead (similar to the chicken pox virus)? What if it mutates and doesn't die off but instead creates another infection? Western Medicine isn't able to do much against viral infections compared to bacterial infections. And viruses seem very prone to mutation.

hello phdkso,

  this is very interesting.  do you know if there's a clinic other then the wound care center that may be using this therapy in the U.S.?

I'm researching some new treatment routes to take and this I'm considering.  Unlike the advanced cell therapy.  sounds way too hookie to me and I do quite a bit electral dermal testing and biofeedback (which is helping neuro symptoms quite a bit).

Do you happen to recall any of the article names you've read on this?

Lisa

 

Bugs "R" us!

Even as microbiologists we often forget that "bugs 'R' us! I recently read in a major paper on antibiotic resistance that stated that normally there are about 5 microorganisms in and on our bodies for every cell that makes up our bodies. When I googled to see how many cells in the body I found estmates of 50 to 100 trillion - so all of us have a lot of bugs. Shortly thereafter I heard a scientist on a science radio show talk about the same subject. The point was made that if we could take away the body cells; but keep the bugs in place and could stain them so they are visible, the body outline would remain.

Also, if you google virus therapy, you will see that pahge therapy is only a small part of the field. Viruses have been used to prevent and cure disease for a long time. Think of small pox vaccine - a live virus. Polio and flu vaccines can be live and killed viruses and there is considerable research to use live viruses to treat certain kinds of cancer.

Please remember that most classical phage therapy uses lytic viruses to minimize mutations and integration of the phages.

As far as I know only the wound care center in Texas is actually using phage therapy in the USA, however, Phage International in California works with the Phage Tharapy Center in Tbilisi, Georgia.