Tic Tox

Hello everyone, Im new to the forum but have been a lymes patient for approx. 2 years, had symptoms for 3 but like most everyone else thought it was some other infliction. I tested positive for lymes in Sept 2008 and immediately started bombarding my body with the prescribed antibiotics. My symptoms included tingling in the extremities, facial numbness, crawling skin, muscle aches and joint pain, forgetfulness and of course brain fog and loss of concentration. Getting out of bed was a chore. The antibiotics very quickly helped with the brain fogg and tingling in my extremities, so I felt without question that I was suffering from lymes. I stayed on the antibiotics for a year and six months, no drinking, stayed away from sugar (not easy, I have an addiction to chocolate chip cookies), exercised and ate healthy foods. There were good days and bad days. Over the last 4 months my doctor kept talking about IV treatments but kept prescribing antibiotics. Mind you I've been paying $175 a visit to a specialist who does not accept my insurance, fortunately I have a small co-pay for the medication, but that adds up over 18 months especially when taking multiple prescriptions. I know this story is very familiar to a lot of you so let me get to the point of my subject. Basically i got tired of the antibiotics, I felt I had reached a plateau, and decided I need to try something different, as I also feel doctors just keep prescribing meds to keep pharmaceutical companies happy. But thats a topic for another day. Anyway, in conversation with a neighbor who had suffered from lymes as well, she told me of an acupuncturist she was seeing who prescribed a natural remedy called Tic Tox. She is currently symptom free!! I researched the product on line and found it is produced by a company in France and Switzerland(Laboratoire Nutrival 4 rue Foch, 67450 Mundolsheim, http://soignez-vous.com/2007/02/15/lyme’s-disease-badly-diagnosed-and-badly-treated/). Apparently lymes is a terrible problem in France and in a lot of western Europe. I made an appointment discussed the medication and her own thoughts on lymes. I received an acupuncture treatment (which felt great) and a 1 month supply of Tic Tox. I stopped the antibiotics for 5 days before starting the Tic Tox. during those 5 days the symptoms came roaring back, upon starting the TicTox for the first 8 days, I felt awful, now into my 5th week, I can't remember when I've felt better. Still some facial numbness but most other symptoms are fading away. Diet is still very important, fruits, veggies no processed sugar. I recommend Blue Agave as a natural sweetener. Also plenty of Tea with Lemon and Ginger. And exercise to help with joint and muscle aches. Now let it be known that Tic Tox is not FDA approved, which is why I will not give the name of my Acupuncturist, I dont know how she gets it, but I am going to ask her as I have a visit this week, by the way she is French so an obvious connection. I may be way off with my next thought, but I don't think so, why is something so seemingly helpful so difficult to get and not FDA approved. Maybe the manufacturers of the antibiotics dont want to see it here in the states, loss of income on there part perhaps. Thats just an opinion. Anyway good luck to all, just wanted to get my story out there and will update you next week after my visit.

Hi bablymers, thanks for the welcome. I paid $45 for a small bottle of Tic Tox of which I took 3 drops 3x a day for 2 weeks, then 5drops 3x a day for the last 2 1/2 weeks. I still have a little left, and I will be getting another bottle to continue treatment this weekend. When I first met with her I was to anxious to start the tic tox and didnt think to ask to any questions.
But now my since I'm feeling better I feel its important to get more info and try to help others in the process.
Be well and Ill post next week.
Best regards,
feelingbetter

I had the same trouble, and the bottle is all in French, lol sorry, I'll try to get that from my acupuncturist as well.
And your welcome, :)

Scott, Thanks for this information. While looking up info on this product I had to remember the 5 years of French I took in school. There are a lot of French forums on lyme disease...it's like a parallel universe.

Has the accupuncture worked for any of your symtpoms?

Hi feelingbetter21,

Thanks for the update. I won't take anything that does not state the ingredients in full, plus I like to know how the ingredients are handled/processed. I don't speak French, so that makes it even harder to find out the info I would need. I would think that side effects would actually be common because it seems like many "lymies" have a high risk of sensitivities even to natural ingredients. Cats claw can be powerful and is not without side effects for some people.

I am so happy that you are getting better and that others in Theresa's practice are too. I wish you continued success for a full recovery. Let us know how you are doing from time to time, OK! I hope that these success stories can be shared with the ILADS community and maybe used for research studies. That way it could eventually make it's way into the practices of many llmds and naturopaths-----with more known about the product.

Best wishes, bablymers mom

Junkyard-

The Mods are people that VOLUNTEER our time and effort here. We may hold down full time jobs, be as sick or sicker than members on this board and have other obligations as well that we need to tend to.

Just because something is foreign or not known to others does not make it a scam.

There is no link for the product nor do we see any implication of direct profit to the member posting.

We allow people to post of all types of products/treatments that have helped each poster in their journey to get well.

It is up to each and everyone of us to do a well thought out investigation before we try any new product or for that matter even a LLMD. Just because one worked for you, does not mean it will work for someone else.

JunkYardWilly,

Feelingbetter did not break any rule. We are all adults and have to make our own decisions in life. In my opinion, I would not buy any natural supplement/herb that didn't list all of their ingredients because anyone can have a bad reaction to a natural herb/supplement. I definitely would want to know what was in this herb/supplement, but that is just my way and no one is obligated to listen to me:)

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Hey all, well it kind of saddens me that a couple of you are basing your skepticism on my spelling of Lyme. But I believe your all missing the point of my post. I'm not looking for any compensation nor do I have any monetary interest in the product. I've spent thousands of dollars on doctors and antibiotic poisons, same as most of you, and I don't have a ton of money JYW. But my doctors certainly do, you want to talk about profit, lets talk about the money the doctors receive from pharmaceutical companies for pushing there product. Their just high end dope dealers. It got rather depressing watching my doctor pull into his new 3500 sq ft office space in his new Mercedes, while half the time he sent in his PA for my follow up appointments. Im sorry I shouldn't take this personally but darn, I just wanted to help people.

GWB, thanks for your positive reply. I too have been trying to get more info on the product. But as posted previously the company is reluctant to give up any information regarding content. They do not have a patent for the product because you can not patent natural products. Thus should they surrender what ingredients are involved it would open the door to competitors. Since I work in the world of manufacturing I can certainly understand their reluctance to list the ingredients. I too have been on the French forums but find it difficult to ascertain any more info than I already have stated. As far as classifying it as medicine or supplement, well, maybe both as it is natural but has medicinal value. I can tell you this, it tastes god awful at first, like licking a jar of vicks vapo rub, but you get used to it. You may have noticed in your browsing of the forums that the Tic Tox was originally used as a topographical solution applied directly to the tic which would die rather quickly, then apply the tic tox for a couple of days to the bite area essentially killing off the bacteria. I've been searching my dog everyday for tics to try this, lol, my little piece of vengeance I guess. As I said in previous posts I will keep everyone updated and supply any info I can.
Sincerely
Scott

Hi Cajun, I understand your concern. I researched some patent info and found that it does seem to be very difficult to patent a natural product. That of course is here in the US, I can't speak for the European community, but I know they have far less restrictions on there products then we do here in the states. Now all bluntness aside, I'm certainly not trying to shove this product down anyones throat. I know it has worked well for me and 300 of Theresa's other patients and one dog, showing no side affects except for the one women whos blood pressure had gone up slightly.
You know as I read some of the responses to my posts I feel as if my posts are being read with a prejudged air of skepticism, and no one is really "reading" the material. No where in my posts do I say "ORDER NOW AND RECEIVE 2 BOTTLES OF TIC TOX FOR THE UNBELIEVABLE LOW PRICE OF JUST $99.99" If you don't want to look into it, thats fine, I have nothing to gain here except the satisfaction that just maybe I've helped someone else overcome this awful disease.
sincerely
Scott

Cajun, I did read JYW post before you had a chance to delete it and he certainly has a right to is opinion, but I do appreciate your due diligence. Thank you. I've been thinking about some of the posts with concerns to the ingredients not listed in Tic Tox. So I decided to look into some of the ingredients of other medications that I've been taking, 1st- Mepron, Ingredients are.... hmmm not listed, but it does have atovaquone, which must be good because the doctor said so. Side effects-just a couple:Fever, Nausea*, Rash, Diarrhea*, Insomnia*, Headache, Vomiting, Cough, Abdominal Pain, Pain, Sweat, Monilia, Asthenia, Dizziness, Anxiety, Anorexia, Sinusitis, Dyspepsia, Rhinitis, Taste Perversion, Hypoglycemia, Hypotension and the list goes on. 2nd-Doryx(doxycycline hyclate) Ingredients, not listed, lets go to the web... The chemical designation for doxycycline hyclate is [4S(4aR,5S,5aR,6R,12aS)] -4-(dimethylamino)-1,4,4a,5,5a,6,11,12a-octahydro-3,5,10,12,12a-pentahydroxy-6 methyl-1,11-deoxonapthtacene-2-carboxamide monohydrochloride, compound with ethyl alcohol (2:1), monohydrate. Yum. Side effects:Anorexia, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea*, glossitis, dysphagia, enterocolitis, and inflammatory lesions (with monilial overgrowth) in the anogenital region. Rare instances of esophagitis and esophageal ulcerations* have been reported in patients receiving capsule and tablet forms of drugs in the tetracycline class. Enough right? Look I know these medications have been helpful to people, myself included. Unfortunately our society has become a society of skeptics and followers, "Doctor said so, so it must be so". And unfortunately there is a whole culture of rip off artists and scammers which lead us to our skepticism. Am I risk taker, sure, I tried something that the FDA hasn't approved (I've tried alot of things the FDA hasn't approved ) or may not even be aware of. I don't think I need to explain my point here.
I researched the product as best I could and took a leap of faith and its paid off, and I've encountered no side effects to date. I will continue to update all of you on my progress, and wish you all the best in your efforts to recovery.
Sincerely
Scott

*side effects I encountered when on those medications

Another thing that concerns me is that some herbs/supplements cannot be taken with presciption medication, so listing what is in it is very important. Another example is Willow Wood Bark. It says it is natural BUT if you have a problem with ulcers, you need to be careful taking it too much. Well, I'm glad I looked it up because guess what? I have stomach problems and have had ulcers before.