MY DENTAL

Well, I'm bumping my own post. does anyone have dental stuff? partials? root canals? I am trying to see if there is a connection between our dental and immune systems and neuro stuff.

and the OSB therapy being of help for the way our jaws and necks are lined up or out of line from even tings like too much sitting at computers.

Post Edited (bucci) : 1/4/2011 4:17:39 PM (GMT-7)

thanks for putting that out there springsjean. i think the dental problems is another huge TIP OFF on the lyme thing.

I grew up with dental issues. My teeth abcessed, broke, chipped & eroded - no matter how good of care I gave them.

My gums, however have always been very healthy - healthy enough that the dentists always commented.

Lyme has claimed all of my teeth. I had a full upper denture at the age of 32. That was a few (e-hem!) years ago, and now I have a full lower denture as well.

Uuuh, no, I haven't ever heard of that phrase before. I had the permanent bridge for 10 years before I finally lost those teeth as well.

Here is the message I am trying to say with my following response( based on my experience and the experiences of those in the office where I am currently receiving treatment):

I do not think Lyme's effects the teeth as much as the teeth effects Lyme's. Whew - I know that statement will bother some people. But I have spent a year in treatment (my case was very severe) and have seen many people go thru this office and I have seen many miracles. But the truth is, some people have Lyme's and never have any symptoms (like my husband). And others (like me) are almost in done by it. What is the difference? A large part of it, I now believe, has to do with the autonomic system and how well it is functioning. Which has to do with tongue, jaw, teeth and oral function.

So, my dental history.

When I was six, I had my front tooth pulled (bottom of my mouth). This is, I have now learned, the absolute worst tooth to have pulled in your mouth as it is the cornerstone off all dental foundations. The dentist decided to pull that tooth because my mouth was small and later in life i I might have a problem with teeth coming in. With this decision he changed my life. Horribly. (I know he did not mean to to this - I have forgiven him!).

Because of losing that tooth all my teeth had to change position. Top and bottom. The left side of my mouth slowly begin caving in.

By high school I had braces to try and correct this - making it much worse because the orthodontist had no idea of relationship of teeth and tongue.

In my late teens I had my wisdom teeth pulled. They all were impacted and I got dry sockets in all off them. It took 2 months to recover from each tooth being pulled.

In my early 20's it was decided I had low blood sugar (glucose tolerance test). And severe allergies. And no energy. So I went on a strict diet, no sugar, white flour, etc. I greatly improved and my allergies went away.

But gradually I started getting sick again. Way too many aches and pains (I was only 30 for heaven sake). Disabilitating headaches/migraines. They were officially called cluster headaches because once you got one they would hit in clusters and last for weeks. Ironically one treatment for cluster headaches was to use oxygen. No one was sure why it was effective. With what I know now about OSB it is obvious that the problem was that I was not getting enough oxygen - how simple. By now the the teeth had started their caving in - which meant the tongue could not take its normal path forward in my jaw, so had to go back in my throat. Which meant not enough air was being allowed to pass. But at the time using oxygen seemed like a weird way to treat a headache so I didn't choose to try that. So I used pain killers and caffeine to treat them. I have now learned that caffeine tightens tongue muscles, allowing easier breathing, helping the headaches. Some people need caffeine to help them sleep - again same reason. Caffeine tightens the tongue muscles, pulling it up out of the throat and allows for better sleep. Anyway, I was then diagnosed with fibromialga.

I took very good care of myself with diet and exercise and was able to manage my symptoms for another 10 years. Then literally I fell apart. in 2004 I missed more days of work than I worked (where as before I would never miss more than 2/3 days a year and always with a migraine). I felt like I was losing my mind with mental stuff. Started having seizures (actually they only got worse, looking back I realized I had been having mild ones for years), hormones went crazy, I went crazy. I was finally diagnosed with Lyme's. .Yippee I thought, now that I have a name of what is wrong, I will start to get better. I turned in my resignation at work and figured I would take the year off to get better. On the dental side: I had a cavity in every tooth in my mouth - and I had been having regular 6 month checkups. But my dentist was having physical problem and he let a lot of things go in his patients' mouth go untreated, so when he retired and I got a new dentist I was told how bad things were in my mouth and that I would probably need gum surgery. As well as many many fillings. On top of the lymes. It was a devastating year.

I met with a ND for 6 months (using Samento) and continued getter worse. So traveled to the Hansa Center. I knew when I left our house for the airplane to Kansas that there was a possibility I would not return - I was under no illusions about how ill I was. Turns out my liver was shutting down from all the ammonia and Dr. J was not sure I would pull thru either (although he obviously did not tell me that at the time). I returned 3 times to Hansa Center over a period of 2 years, getting better each time. But could never 'stay better' (as Heathersdad states) and always continued to have these weird seizures (at that time Dr. J did not know about OSB.) I returned to Hansa in 2009. Was determined to get these seizures taken care of. I was only there for a few days when Dr. J said I needed to have my jaw looked at. I was horrified. I did not want one more form of treatment, I certainly didn't want stuff in my mouth - I had been having dental treatment for the last couple of years getting all the fillings caught up and my teeth hurt and NO I didn't want an appliance.

But God and I talked and He said "Go" so I went. Turns out because of the caving in of my mouth and where my tongue ended up, my uvula (thingy in the back of the mouth) stretched 2ce its normal size and was catching on the epiglottis (base of tongue) and would wrap around it and I would quit breathing, sending me into seizures. Again, there were several times (when I went into seizure) the staff was afraid I would not make it. I was hooked up to several pieces of equipment, but it was the EKG reading that scared the doctor the most. Dr. R (the Dr. in Tacoma) treated me for several months with the appliances, trying to avoid surgery, but my poor body had had enough. So I had the uvula removed (snipped actually so it was an in office procedure). And the seizures stopped. I still had convulsions for several months, I am now down to only mind tremors on occasion - I am still a work in progress, like I said I had a severe case. (I am now so much better - was hiking 10 miles this summer, working in my yard, my brothers yard and my sister-in-laws yard - it was wonderful).

But I think many people who have cronic Lyme's are severe cases. I had been telling Dr.'s for years I was not getting enough oxygen. No one thought to look in my mouth to find out why I was saying this.

I rarely get headaches anymore. As I posted elsewhere, my once seriously ill mouth is now in great shape. The gums have regrown (unheard of in the dental world). I have seen people come into this clinic where I am now being treated and be treated for MS, ALS, fibro, migraines, heart problems (severe),high blood pressure, and with the wearing of the appliance be symptom free. Notice I didn't say cured. They will, at this point anyway(new research is coming out all the time), always wear an appliance part of the time. But who cares if your MS symptoms go away that you have to wear an appliance?

Mamyou - you mentioned crossing the mid-line. Absolutely essential. And you can begin to see why with my story - you change the whole autonomic system.


ok, this is a lot to type and a lot to read. I am sure I have left some things outs out, (and maybe included to many!). Please feel free to ask questions - I will try and answer them to the best of my ability.


Be Well,
Wacko Woman

Post Edited (wacko woman) : 1/7/2011 5:17:50 PM (GMT-7)

Good grief, bucci, it sounds like you've made several dentists rich! My partial is supposed to be high content gold, and isn't solid where it goes across the roof of my mouth....however, if I had to do it all over again I would have asked for plastic. If I come across the article I used to have on the mid-line crossing, I will share it with the group. I've moved a few times, so it's hard to tell what box it's in.

My appointment today with my LLMD-in-training has given me incentive to get back on the straight and narrow so Monday I am going to do the first metal challenge test I've done in about 7 years. They're always off the chart in mercury, so we'll see if this one is different. He is also starting me on the Byron White formula for Bartonella. Not to mention continuing abx.

Heathersdad, I'm hoping you're going to a knowledgeable mercury free dentist, but be sure and follow the protocol for mercury removal. Also, once the amalgams are all out of your mouth, you can go through WITHDRAWAL. You body is used to that steady supply of mercury, so if it's taken away, there's that chance. There's also the 7-14-21 day thing. I've lent all my mercury books to my doctor (!!!!) but you're not supposed to have dental work done on the 7th, 14th or 21st day after your first dental work because of the immune system. There's also the thing about having the quadrant of amalgams with the highest electrical charge removed first. Geesh, I used to know all this stuff before my brain turned to mush.... A lot of people have mixed metals in their mouths, i.e. amalgam fillings and another metal for partials or crowns. That creates the battery effect and leaches more mercury from the amalgam. This is especially bad when young people have amalgams then get metal braces.

I do hope folks read this thread and do what they can to eliminate some of the problems. It's bad enough to try and keep up with all the medical, then when dental is thrown in, it's almost impossible to juggle all the costs. I am so sorry we've all made the dental mistakes we've made since I'm pretty sure it would have made a long-term difference in our health.

Mamyou,

You are correct, it is criminal the mistakes dentists have made that have cost us so much money and our health. The good thing is much of this can be corrected with appliances (even if you have a bridge!). Dr. Robson is teaching dentists around the country and doing radio show and writing papers to get the word out so that dentists will be made aware of and stop doing some of the terrible things that have been done in the name of dentistry. Best wishes on your testing on Monday.

Bucci,

Thanks for starting this thread. But do remember, that even with your bridge the mouth can heal. When I first started treatment there was a woman from Spain at the clinic. She only had about 1/2 of her teeth remaining. She had to stay in the States for several month with treatment, but when she went home she was a whole new person with a whole new lease on life (she also had been diagnosed with Lyme's). It was an amazing transformation to watch. She has been back once to receive adjustments. (over a period of a year). So I don't complain that it is a 6 hour drive every time I have an appt. Much better than coming from Spain!!!

Don,

I am no longer under any treatment except for the appliances. We have an infra-red sauna so I use that sometimes. We have a foot bath so I do that on occasion. I always use fresh lemon juice in my water. I drink LOTS of water. Take several vitamins (B, D, Omega Three, cal/mag, CoQ10, and bioidentical hormones - yes I am that age!). Do skin brushing when I remember. The only issue I really have left is my inability to fall asleep, and while that is also better, it is still an issue. I know I won't heal completely until I can do this without med's. (One of my issues and why this is taking so long is that to calm the adrenaline they have to put shapes in my mouth that drive my tongue by my left molars - a place that will still send me into convulsions. Very tricky the shape of my mouth. Still quite frustrating on some days).

I went mercury free 5 years ago, but I didn't notice any difference. Still a good thing to do though. As mamyou suggested, I had this done slowly so as not to overtax my system. Does your dentist recommend taking any sort of supplement to help with the detoxing? Or does Dr. J have an idea? That might be something to check out.....

Be Well,

Jeanne

Post Edited (wacko woman) : 1/7/2011 6:02:34 PM (GMT-7)

I only had trouble with swallowing pills and such, not as extreme as you. The choking was, before treatment, every time I had a seizure (which could be every 1/2 hour). I was always short of breath. I am never short of breath now (with the appliance). Asthma is completely gone. Breathing is lovely.

Dr. R is currently treating a woman who could not swallow or talk. She had a crown put on 7 years ago (put on very poorly) that changed her throat so much that her tongue could not function properly. Parts of it became very strong, other parts very weak. She was told she has ALS and her doctor was preparing her to die - literally telling her the steps that would happen. She is now beginning to be able to talk, she can swallow, and is beginning to eat solid foods (after 2 weeks of daily treatment). Just beginning to eat solid foods mind you, she has some fear of doing this as she is so afraid of choking or something getting stuck and then getting pneumonia (she is older and frail enough at the moment that pneumonia could kill her). I would have some fear at that point also...

Is this dentist you have seen before in the OSB network? (can check the oralsystembiology.com website to find out). I am just curious.

Be Well,
Wacko Woman

hello, it seems i read/saw something about biofilm, and how important flossing is, to keep the biofilm from ?... sorry, no details.

i have been working on getting old silver fillings removed, and every time i go to have them out, i do feel so much worse... mercury?

 

Wacko Woman,

I don't think the doctor I saw was in the OSB network. I couldn't find anything about him on the website. He told me I would need to get treatment from him for about 6 months before expecting any type of improvement in my swallowing at all. Also, when I put the appliance in, it makes my throat really tight. Swallowing and breathing become even more difficult. My husband and I are talking about possibly trying to get an appointment with Dr.R or someone else in the OSB system but it's scary to think of spending so much money on something very similar to what I have already tried. Thanks for the info though and for sharing the story about the woman who is starting to swallow again. It gives me hope. :)

Thanks Jeanne and Don, I am passing this on to my 2 sisters who have had dental work starting when they were kids. The younger one is always biting her tongue. I think the sinus headaches and other issues that are coming up for both of them tracks back to their childhood dental isssues of having front teeth bridges.
They may not have Lyme like myself but there is something going on that is costing them better quality life.

Okay, my dental history:

1974:  Speeding car ran me over in my legs as I was crossing street and I lost 7-1/2 teeth on top besides my chin.   Jaw was broken (had pin in jaw).   I was 17 years old at the time.

Surgeons (they were excellent) put acrylic in my mouth when my jaw was wired so I would NOT lose my natural bite (yuck!).

Lots of dental work, many bridges as I had a couple of teeth left on each side.  Was told as I became older I would need a full upper denture and sure enough I did.  Still hate this denture.

Currently wear denture, but now front bottom tooth fell out and I am searching for a specialist who can make me a partial denture (I do NOT want a full bottom denture). 

So my quest continues! 

Denise