Dr. Jernigan's at home protocol

addsmom, thanks for asking these questions. I am paying close attention to these threads, contemplating a change in course. Will be interesting to see what you can find out.

Rose

Thanks Traveler! Deejavu is the one at home success story I was talking about. I have been talking with her and she is helpful. I was just wondering if there were more. I don't know if I can justify spending that much money to go to the center based on 4 success stories. But who knows it might just be what I need:)

Addsmom

I am purchasing the book tonight. I can't detox bec I am breastfeeding, but I think I will get a lot of info from the book.

Trav:

It can't be done--the toxins will end up in the baby's milk!  That is a NO!

HI Addsmom,

I am also interested in checking out Hansa. Did you ever get to try the protocol or go? I am thinking of going in November. I did put a list together of the stories I'd read to get some organization around the Hansa experience, but its incomplete. I'd read enough to bite the bullet and give it a try, since like you, I am also not doing well with Rx. Anyhow, I hope you have made progress and are that much closer to better health :)

All the best,
REB

Caldonia Sun, which remedy did you use, the one with alcohol or the apple cider vinegar?

Thanks!
Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 11/2/2011 9:03:52 PM (GMT-6)

Tala, are you using the alcohol based remedies or the apple cider vinegar one's?

Gary

Tala,

Glad to know you've done so well with the Jernigan remedies. That's really wonderful! Yeah, most people use the alcohol based because it's usually a better carrier than other things when it comes to tinctures.

I was told that ACV tests better energetically, but I personally don't think it's a better choice or you'd see more remedies without alcohol in it. I could be wrong about this, but from all the research I've done I believe alcohol is a better choice than ACV. Many companies use organic grape alcohol or non gmo alcohol in their remedies today.

Problem that I have with the Jernigan remedies, and why I asked you which one you were using, is the fact that they use ethanol alcohol in their remedies. That means it's made from corn mash, which most likely means it has gmo in it. Approximately 90% of the corn grown in the US is gmo corn.

I was told by someone that the process of making ethanol removes the gmo from it. However, I have not been able to confirm this in my research. In fact, I've read that ethanol is a toxin which is not something we ought to be putting into our bodies in my opinion.

However, I did get better using the Jernigan remedies with 20% ethanol, so obviously they do work, but I wish that they would switch over to a more natural alcohol, one made without any corn or gmo. Some people don't react well to remedies with alcohol. The reason could very well be is because of the corn in the alcohol.

You might have noticed on some of the other protocols that use tinctures that they brag about using non-gmo alcohol in them. It just makes sense to use non gmo alcohol, especially if you're taking two or three remedies two to three times a day.

I'm sure the ACV works fine, but I'm not convinced it works as effectively as the alcohol does. I've done enough research to come to this conclusion, but again, this is my opinion and I could be wrong. The other issue about ACV is exactly what you mentioned—burning. Same problem I have with ACV, it burns. You can dilute it but I still can't get it to agree with me.

about whether or not you can over do it with these remedies. No, not possible. Why? Because they are natural herbs and non-toxic. You could be on them for life (no reason to though) and not be harmed from taking them.

However, my only concern is over time ingesting too much of the corn alcohol. Taking it for the time you need it on the protocol should be fine, but taking it too long might not be a good idea just because of the possible gmo in it.

The protocol suggests that you continue taking it two months after you are symptom free. If you are symptom free for two months, while you're on the protocol, then you can safely say it's time to go off of it. Of course, there's no guarantee symptoms won't return again, but if they do you simply get back on the protocol until you can be off of it without the symptoms returning.

Some people do continue taking it once to three times a week just because they believe the herbal remedies are beneficial to them (like taking supplements) but that's totally up to them. I'm not sure Dr. Jernigan would encourage people to do that or not. Good question to ask their office.

Some people stay on the Neuro-Antitox forever, but not daily, maybe once or twice a week. They do this because the feel this remedy is a good detoxifier, and it truly is. Whenever you feel toxic it's a good remedy to use, lyme disease, or not. It's probably better to use it with Borrelogen as it helps to break down and bind up more of the toxins when used together.

about the detox baths. No way would my wife and I ever stop doing those. That's something we feel has given us enormous health benefits. This is something that we'll do for the rest of our lives just because it's so beneficial to our bodies. We do them less than we used to, but our bodies always need to be detoxed.

Just like our good friend here, Deejavu, always likes to say, detox, detox, detox. This is one of the best detoxifiers there is and I believe everyone should do them at least once a week, even if you feel you've beat this disease. Our bodies always need to be detoxed from the toxins that enter out bodies from what we eat, drink and the air we breath, etc.

Many of our friends who are not sick have asked us about the detox bath because we've talked so much about them. Some of them have started doing it themselves and every one of them love it. They can tell that they feel so much better when they do the detox bath once or twice a week.

I would never tell anyone what to do, but if you were to ask me, if I was totally symptom free of LD, would I stop doing detox baths? My answer would be—never! My wife and I feel this is one of the best investments we make on a weekly basis for our health. I wish we could afford to invest a infared sauna as that would probably be the number one best detoxifier while at the same time killing lyme spirochetes.

Your husband could very well be right about the salt corroding the pipes. I don't really know because that's not something I know enough about to comment on. I guess if I knew that it was corroding our pipes in our home I'd probably just make sure I rinsed the bathtub out long enough to get all the salt water out of the pipes.

Whether that would work or not I have no idea. The detox bath is too valuable to my wife and I to let this become an obstacle to taking our detox baths. But I do understand your husband's concern, it's a valid concern for which I have no answers to.

My wife was doing wonderful for over a year since being on the Jernigan protocol. However, she recently got bit by a mosquito and apparently got reinfected. She immediately started on the protocol again for about three months or so and is doing amazingly well again. She told me this morning she has no symptoms whatsoever. However, she's going to stay on the protocol for two more months as recommended in the Perfect 7 Protocol.

When I have some additional time I will update everyone about how I'm doing. I know many here want to know and I want to share with you all when I have some time to do so. I have had some issues to deal with that have caused me to regress some, however, I'm still doing reasonably well considering these issues I'm dealing with.

I have (or had) parasites. Didn't know I had them until after I did a coffee enema one day about six months ago. Been treating them and it *appears* that they're gone now but it's hard to say for sure. However, parasites are filthy critters that poop in you and can cause you to feel pretty crappy. They can infect your body with all kinds of diseases that make you toxic. They're hard to get rid of and if you have them you MUST treat them or you will never get well.

More about all this soon. Right now we are very busy preparing for our families who will be coming here for Thanksgiving. We're going to celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas at the same time since some of our families live out of state and can't come back for Christmas. We have a lot of shopping left to do and many other things that need to be done as well.

I will try my best to get back to the forum and give you all an update real soon. I feel it's only fair that I do this and I want to do it too. You all have been so wonderful to me (and my wife) during our difficult times and I always want to give back in any way that I can.

I still get a lot of emails and pm's from people about the Hansa Center. I belong to about 8 different lyme forums and get overwhelmed with emails and pm's constantly. I feel bad when I don't answer them as promptly as I'd like to. In fact, I owe an email to REB which I will be answering today. If you're reading this, REB, you'll be glad to know I'm working on an email to you. : )

Anyway, it's amazing the amount of pm's and emails I get every week asking me about the HC. My wife and I talk to a lot of people on the phone too. I very much enjoy doing this, I just wish I had more hours in the day to get stuff done. Not complaining though because there was a time when I was so sick I couldn't even write emails. I have much to be grateful for!

Thank God, I'm feeling fairly well, still very active and doing things I could not do two years ago. Even though I'm dealing with some issues, it isn't so bad that I'm bedridden like I was prior to going to the HC. I am grateful to be where I am, I also want to get better and believe in time I will.

One last thing. The most common question I get from people is "Do you still recommend that people go to the HC for treatment?". Yes, I absolutely do still recommend people go to the HC for lyme treatment or for any chronic illness they might be dealing with. I believe Dr Jernigan, his wonderful associate, Dr. Jowdy, and their staff, are not only extremely knowledgable about lyme disease, coinfections, and other chronic diseases, they have the most wonderful, caring staff members you could find anywhere.

Gotta run now and and answer some emails and go out with daisyrlb (Rhonda) to spend more money, I mean, do some Christmas shopping. ; )

Have a great weekend everyone. Be back soon!

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 11/5/2011 11:44:37 AM (GMT-6)

Trav,

Thanks for the compliment. It was long overdue. I do come and lurk here from time to time but haven't been as active as I'd like to be. I really have no excuse for it. I've gotten active on some FB lyme pages and they've kept me pretty busy. Plus, the thread I started here, back when I went to the Hansa Center, I also have on two other lyme forums not related to FB.

It surprises me how many people find my thread and decide to contact me and ask questions about my treatment protocol. I get anywhere from 5-10 inquires a week if you can believe that.

I never dreamed that would be the consequences of posting that thread. Although, a lot of people contact me from the FB forums too. Glad it's helped people learn of another protocol that is available to them. Now with the Byron White, Cowden Condensed, Buhner, Beyond Balance, people have a lot more options to chose from today.

I think that's a good thing as what works for one person may not necessarily work for another. I do believe our attitude has a lot to do with our ability to heal too. When I first went to the HC I went as a skeptic and didn't really believe in this energetic stuff.

However, after about my third day there I became a believer. I think light and energy is the medicine of the future. I still believe there could be a cure for lyme disease, but until doctors take it more seriously, and until more money is invested in research, we have to accept what's available to us.

I resent that so many of us have to fend for ourselves and that there's not any real standards set for how to treat this disease like they have for HIV, AIDS, cancer, etc. This disease could be wiped out in no time if the IDSA and CDC were out of the picture. More money is needed for research, but as long as the CDC and IDSA is around, nothing good is going to happen.

I see people doing all kinds of weird things trying to get better because they're so desperate. Did you know that parasites are a real big deal now in the Lyme world? Of course, it's always been an issue, but more recently, because of Eva Sapi's research, and Dr. Klinghardt's parasite protocol, more people have become aware of this often overlooked area of treatment. It's because of this so many people never get better no matter how long they've been on abx.

Getting rid of parasites is an absolute must, sad thing is, tests for this are very unreliable. If anyone decides they want to be tested for parasites, I recommend they get their doctor to use Metametrix. They specialize in this among other things.

Labcorp and Quest is not equipped to test for parasites. I used both of them and the tests came back negative, even though the parasites were very visible. Metametrix got the job done and discovered I had hookworms. They can do a lot of destruction to the intestines. That's another good reason to get tested AND treated.

Parasites are a BIG problem, and one that's not easily treated depending on how long you've had them and what kind you have. It's estimated that 80% of us have parasites, even the general population in the US have them and don't even know it. This could explain why a lot of people are sick and no one can figure out why.

This could also explain why so many people are dx with IBS (which is really a cop out dx in my opinion) or other stomach related issues when in fact they have hookworms (what I had) attaching themselves to the intestines and sucking blood out of them. No telling how long I was infested with these filthy critters.

Didn't mean to go off on this rant. Just wanted to say, thank you for your compliment to my post. I really hope to post something soon, even before the holidays. I've been having some other health issues, unrelated to lyme disease, that I'm being tested for right now. So that's another thing that's distracting me from doing some of the things I want (and need) to do. Will be having some more tests done this week to see if they can determine what the problem is. Will keep you all updated as I get the information.

Thanks for the great job you do moderating here, Trav. Appreciate all your hard work!

Gary

Lyme-ies With a Real Heart is a good one for support and light hearted fun and laughter. They're a fun group to hang out with.

I belong to the Florida Lyme League, even though I don't live in Florida. We've been thinking of moving there if our house sells. Our youngest son and his family live there, so that's something we're giving thought to. Plus we've made a lot of friends with the Lyme folks in Florida. This is by far my favorite FB lyme group and the people on it are very supportive people too.

We even got to meet some of them for dinner while we were there a couple months ago visiting our son. Medical care, especially for LD, is horrible here in OK. Florida has a lot of good ND's and better medical care all around. That's another reason we're considering Florida, but nothing is definite. Selling our house has been very difficult. It's not a sellers market right now as most people well know.

Lyme El Natural is a pretty good support group too.

Lyme Dis-ease Support Group is a smaller group, not as active as the other ones, but a good one.

Lyme Disease Awareness is a good group, however, they are an "open group" unlike the others who are "closed groups".

I prefer closed groups as I don't like my Lyme conversations to be out in the open for everyone to see. I mostly lurk there and don't post much, but it's got some good information.

There are others that are good, but like you say, they aren't that active, or the leaders of some of the FB groups are pretty closed minded and don't allow free flowing conversation to take place.

The FB lyme forums are not the same as a forum like Healingwell. I believe forums like Healingwell are far better for information and support for one another than most of the FB forums.

Plus we get to develop relationships here that we don't usually develop on the FB forums. Although, the Florida FB forum is very good, especially if you live in Florida. I think every state ought to have a FB support group so you can have friends close by to be there to help you out when you need it.

The Florida people are amazing. They will drive people they don't know to doctor's appts, take them to the pharmacy, or just go and visit with them if they're lonely. Those kinds of forums are good for that purpose.

Healingwell is a great forum, one of my very favorites. The people here are wonderfully supportive towards one another. I like that about this forum.

The "big lyme forum" that I used to go to often has changed a lot recently, and not for the better. They've lost a lot of members due to new rules and a dictatorial attitude that's developed with the moderators. Lots of long time members have left there, including me. I lurk there once in awhile but don't post there anymore.

Oh well, that's not important. What's important is the fact that you guys are here and I'm glad for all the support my wife and I have gotten here over the years. I think Healingwell is a great place for newbies and oldies alike. : )

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 11/5/2011 9:23:08 PM (GMT-6)

WOW! I had a bad weekend and I returned to see this!!!

That's a whole lot of compliments for this site!! A great big hearty thank you from all of us, Tala and GWB!!!

A special thanks for the compliment to me, GWB! Thank you! It truly is amazing how this set of infections can change your life - and not always for worse! I have actually had some changes be really amazing "awakenings" -if you will.

I actually saw an old post of mine where I said that I wouldn't make it through the first day of being a Mod!! LOL! - and here I am, closing in on a year of being a Mod now!! Giggle! We have had a lot of amazing members who have helped me both before and after becoming a Mod, and that is what makes a good forum - great members!!!

If both of you, Tala & GWB, don't mind I would like to take portions of this conversation between you two and create a thread with your recommendations for the FB support groups. I believe a person needs to have as many options for support as we can find!

I found another support site - it's for the spouse or 'significant other' of someone who is infected with TBI's!! -lymespouse.org/. I have only just checke it out a bit, but it does seem to be on the right track!

Thank you again, GWB and Tala for all of those wonderful compliments about this wonderful forum!! I don't know where I would be without this site either!

Hey Trav,

Sure, you can use anything I've posted however you want. Feel free to do that.

I too recently learned about lymespouse.org. Seems like a much needed forum. I've been reading about so many couples who are going through some very difficult times right now due to their spouses not being able to cope and be supportive towards their sick spouse.

I'm amazed at how many spouses, mostly men, abandon their wives when they are sick and in need of their support. It's more common than one might think.

Thanks for posting that link here. Hope it helps some couples who are going through some difficult times. It's not easy to live with a spouse who has this disease, that's very true. However, if I recall, I believe I told my wife during our wedding vows that I'd remain faithful to her in sickness and health. She too made the same vows to me.

Rhonda has done a wonderful job of enduring some very difficult days with me. I could not have done it without her. I too have had to endure some tough times with her while she had this disease. Thank God we've been able to hang in there during some really rough times.

I do sympathize with those who are struggling with this. But, love is more than just a feeling, it's a commitment to be there for your loved ones no matter what. Easier said than done, I know.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 11/8/2011 9:58:01 AM (GMT-7)