magnesium malate and Epsom salts?

I loved magnesium malate! I'm experimenting now with cutting out the mag supplements (I've heard mixed things it's good for Lyme but bad for biofilms)...helped with a lot of symptoms...not sure about detoxing though I've never heard that before.

I love Epsom salt baths too! They're like a staple for me now.

Envita and Fry labs and some other LLMD
Are not using any magnesium because biofilms feed off
Of magnesium. They believe the magnesium keeps you in constant state of relapse and the magnesium from foods should be enough.

No doubt some people think they feel better taking magnesium.

Before i knew i was dealing with lyme i was taking that powder CALM which is
Magnesium and it was then that my lyme symptoms were worst.

This is frustrating that the lyme community of doctors can not come to
an agreement even with magnesium.

Many naturo doctors push magnesium as part of detox.
Some LLMD who use abx are pro magnesium for herxing.

And other doctors who are naturopaths prescribing antibiotics are also
Anti magnesium.

I will never touch it again after the reaction i got 3 yrs ago.
It inflamed all my lyme symptoms.

My LLD wants me to go back on magnesium because I am now taking Cipro and that causes muscle strain. I refuse becasue of what I read about the biofilms. I am glad some others on this post agree. I did take it and didn't feel any better. In a month (after the holidays) I am going to do a total detox diet. I saw the film Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and it was incredible. I think it might help us Lymies. If I feel any better after the 15 days you will be sure I will post a new topic. Thanks all. Happy T-Day.

That's what I understand about the magnesium as well, Thia.
ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium

"Magnesium is needed for more than 300 biochemical reactions in the body. It helps maintain normal muscle and nerve function, keeps heart rhythm steady, supports a healthy immune system, and keeps bones strong. Magnesium also helps regulate blood sugar levels, promotes normal blood pressure, and is known to be involved in energy metabolism and protein synthesis [2-3]. There is an increased interest in the role of magnesium in preventing and managing disorders such as hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes. Dietary magnesium is absorbed in the small intestines. Magnesium is excreted through the kidneys."

Me too Sassy! I have so much weakness in my leg muscles (and my arms too but I don't notice it as much).

Anyway, I figure I've just got to try and see what works. But then, if I feel better, does that mean it IS working or it's not? LOL. Lyme is the weirdest disease ever. You need to have a herx reaction to mean it's working? What the heck is that all about? Can someone please explain Lyme to me again?!

Maybe this will help explain things a bit - WARNING - this is only my opinion, backed up with some scientific data. I do not claim to know everything there is to know about abx treatments - I'm using herbs/acupuncture/Chinese Medicine.

Herxing is something that is best to avoid to be honest - it's a healing crisis. The body is quite simply overloaded with toxins because of an increase in die-off of the bacteria, or whatever the infecting agent is. With proper detoxing, herxing can be avoided. It's not only hard on us emotionally and mentally, but physically as well, as the body is under so much more stress. This is where the complications come in.

With our bodies being under more stress, then infections have a better chance at "getting to a hiding spot" or going into cyst form, where they can avoid the abx. This is why we have an increase of symptoms or even new symptoms appearing.

Many, including LLMD's suggest that this is a good thing, but I beg to differ. I don't see any kind of healing crisis as a good thing. It is my opinion that the only good thing about a herx is like when the doc finds that sore spot - you can holler "Got it!!" You have found an abx, or abx combo that is now working. But you need to detox to help get yourself back to where you are doing more healing than dealing with too much die off too fast.

My Doc has told me that if I experience a herx, she wants me to stop taking/doing what is causing it and to call her immediately. After a bit of discussion (), we agreed that if the herx was more than mild I would - I'm not going to call her and complain because of a few minor increases in symptoms!!

Here's the tricky part - to know the difference between a herx, and allergic reaction, and just a bad day. I have to pay close attention to most every thing I do - if I do something different, then I watch for increasing symptoms - a herx.

I have a lot of trouble with my detoxing pathways - ie -I have trouble using detoxing methods. I have to use sneakier methods of detoxing. If I use the detoxing foot bath closer than 4 or 5 days apart, boy do I pay! That's a herx. I caused more die-off than my body could handle.

Now, have I made the matter clear as mud yet? I could keep on explaining!! LOL!!

Thank you Sassy!
Please do be careful doing your 'juice diet'!!

Great! Thank you!!

Traveler-

You herx when using some detoxing methods? I thought detoxing was supposed to prevent herxing?

Scarlet Grace,
You have to understand that I was first infected at the age of 7 - I'm 48 now - that's 41 years of being infected without appropriate treatment, with quite literally so many ticks having attached to me over my life, there's no way to count them all!! My detox pathways have been compromised and don't work well. I've know this from the very first time I tried to detox back in 2007 - I had a 2 day migraine from it!! I wasn't sure that was what caused it because my brain fog and cognitive functions were so bad, so I had this brilliant idea to try it again!! UGH! Another 2 day migraine told me that it was the detox bath all right!!

I have to rely on things like drinking lots of water, drinking carrot juice, using a tincture that my doc makes up for me to detox mainly. Like I said, I can still do the detoxing foot bath, just not very often.

My poor doc!! LOL! I can get sooooo frustrated with not being able to detox and she just patiently listens and reminds me that I was sooo very ill when I first started seeing her 1 1/2 yrs ago and that it's going to take some time. I would be as far into healing as I am without her patience!!

Please don't let my experiences stop you from healing yourself!! You really do need to detox. We gather toxins from the air we breathe, the food we eat, and the water and other things we drink - not to even mention Lyme and company and the toxins they can create!

Chances are that if you herx at all from detoxing, it'll be very, very mild....that's if you herx from it - most don't!! I'm just a bit of an oddball...in case you haven't noticed yet!! LOL!!!