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Posted 12/9/2011 5:19 PM (GMT 0)
hi all. sicktoolong may never come back to this forum. and he is the person who needs it the most. Our possitive attitudes are great but they are not a cure. be patient and kind in your reply. and be real. there is a dark side to lyme no one mentions. and there is nothing worse than a person with lyme disease who was cured in a month or a year or 6 years making the rest who remain ill, too tired to figt and broke feel bad for deciding to accept what we cant change no matter how we smile and say it will. crazylymelady
Posted 12/9/2011 7:04 PM (GMT 0)
Hi letgo,

I have been dealing with the affect of Lyme disease and other co-infections for six years now. I used to be a regular on this forum for quite a while. I still drop by from time to time just to read all the posts here. When I first became sick with a TBI I was in very bad shape, I had nearly every symptom on the Lyme list. I spent years in agony dealing with the physical, and emotional pain of this disease. I wasted many years, and much money dealing with the general medical community that knows little about our illness, I spent even more time and money working with a LLMD. When I was at my very worst, I truly believed I would never get better I contemplated ending my suffering by any means possible. I received very little support from friends & family, who just can not understand the political side of this illness. At the time I became ill I had a son that was nearly two years old. I remember I would be up at night dealing with another night of Lyme induced insomnia, I would often sit at the side of my sons crib and CRY for hours and tell him over and over again how sorry I was that I would not be there to help raise him. I truly believed I was going to die at any moment be either this hideous disease, or by my own hand. Thankfully I made the right choice to keep fighting, and researching this disease, I will not try to sugar coat this illness. It will probably be the most difficult thing we all will ever face in our lives, unfortunately I have known people here on this very site that have lost their battle with this disease. I decided that I would not give up and now six years later I am 90% recovered, and have a beautiful one and a half year old baby girl who's crib I will occasionally sit next to at night and CRY because I'm so happy I have a chance to be a father to my children.

Please don't give up, there is no quick fix with this illness. But you will get better!!

Post Edited (Cheezhead) : 12/11/2011 8:37:49 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/9/2011 8:32 PM (GMT 0)
tears to mine too. good luck
Posted 12/9/2011 9:07 PM (GMT 0)
Wow Cheezhead....awesome and inspiring post...thank you!
Posted 12/9/2011 11:35 PM (GMT 0)
Yep, I lost all hope at one point also, my mind was a mess and my life was falling apart because of lyme. No one supported me much either, but I did have a Medical Doc who listened to me.
But I have to disagree a little, a positive attitude is what took me from rock bottom to feeling well.

Of course attitude is not going to be the end all, but I'll tell ya, the mind /body connection is way stronger than we even realize.

If anyone is interested, check out Dr Paul Epstein (ND). This man is one of the most amazing healers you will read about.
He totally believes in mind/body.
Also there is a book called the Biology of Belief and a woman who is so amazing, her books about illness changed my life and helped me heal. Her name is Caroline Myss.

When we change our thinking, we change our DNA and body chemistry and yes, we are stronger soldiers in the fight against all illness this way.

Please SICKtoolong, you need to get up and try again...........promise you will get well
Posted 12/10/2011 4:33 AM (GMT 0)
i agree we need to have positive attitudes and yes mind body connections help us heal, but no matter how great your attitude is, no matter how strong willed or strong minded you are...it wont grow back a dismembered limb. that is an extreme example. i am just trying to say that reality is real and a wonderful, possitive attitude will help you heal but it is not a cure. i have a great attitude thanks to alot of great books like the ones you mentioned, i am healed, but i am not cured.thats my opinion.
Posted 12/11/2011 3:34 PM (GMT 0)
I agree with ALL of this 100%. I have told my story here many times over the past 2+ years and have been to the very bottom myself. I also used to post here a lot more, but just haven't been on as much over the past year because I'm feeling so much better and I've had the worst year of my life in other areas. I do pop in once in a while to let those still suffering know that some of us do get and stay better. Are we cured? None of us know, but new people keep asking does anyone get better? Will I get better? And when those of us who have gotten better post what has worked for us, you have to accept what we say, not get upset about what we tell you is WORKING FOR US. Some of us have been "attacked" by what we say, but yet those who are still ill keep asking, and we keep coming back to tell you, even though we are able to move on and don't have to. We do it to HELP those of you who are still in a place we were, right here on this HW forum, before getting better ourselves.

letgo, most people want to hear what works for other people and we are sharing what works for us. No one is saying that a good attitude is a cure in any way, shape, or form, but it will HELP immensely. Those of us who have ADOPTED a changed positive attitude did not start at that point on this Lyme journey, nor even go through most of our illness will that changed attitude. We found it and worked our tails off to keep a good positive attitude and it paid off with getting and staying better. This IS reality. I am very much a realist and have lived my entire life observing and wanting the absolute truth in every situation, and unfortunately there is a lot of negativity that goes along with that line of thinking. I "fell into" the positive attitude way of thinking and thought it was bull initially. I fought it tooth and nail and kept going back to what had alway worked for me -- seeing the "truth" and thinking it to death only to have the worst negative attitude and not even realizing it.

I actually got better before I changed my attitude. Then I got sick again and my attitude plummeted even deeper because I was much sicker and my regular GP told me not to come back to him with these problems because he doesn't know what is wrong with me and he already referred me to anyone he thought may be able to help me. I had NO ONE to talk to about it because everyone in my life figured if there was something really wrong with me one of these doctors would have figured it out. I could tell you several stories of situations I had to endure by people in my life during this time...not one of them a positive story. Besides horrible pain and many other weird symptoms, my mind was in such bad shape it was like I had alzheimer's (I'm in my 40's), and I KNEW this was something they were just missing because it had all come on so suddenly 4 years earlier.

A short summary what I did to get better was antibiotics for 9 months (my doctor quit her practice so then I no longer had/have an LLMD), many different types/combinations of supplements/herbs, including several rounds of teasel root; then I decided to try Dr. Jernigan's at-home protocol. His theory strongly urges the mind-body-spirit connection. I thought he was kind of a kook, but began his protocol. His protocol was not an overnight instant cure by any means. But slowly, I started getting better. Of course I started out thinking "I doubt this will work either," just like I did for any of the other things I tried to treat Lyme Disease. Then my life changed in a very unexpected way, and really to save my own sanity I turned inward and upward.

I've had a very bad year with the deaths of 3 family members, the first one being my sister in her 30's, completely unexpectedly (the other two were expected, but you are never ready with one being my father). After my sister's death, I was absolutely distraught, but I don't show it on the outside very much. I turned inward and began a journey that has turned my life around. The point of my story is that you can fight the idea that a positive attitude will HELP you, but it is life changing to make the choice. It's a struggle every single day to choose a positive attitude over observing the negative "truth," but the pay off is amazing.

Remember, those of us coming back to this forum to share what has worked or is working for us, are doing it to HELP those you who are still struggling. If you get upset or make comments like this:
"and there is nothing worse than a person with lyme disease who was cured in a month or a year or 6 years making the rest who remain ill, too tired to figt and broke feel bad for deciding to accept what we cant change no matter how we smile and say it will"

we may just keep it to ourselves and then the whole point of this forum is down the drain. You don't have to accept what we say, but maybe someone else will and it will help that one person. I don't care if YOU don't want a good positive attitude, but maybe I can reach one other struggling person who will benefit immensely.

You can bash me all you want for my opinion, but it works for ME and obviously works for some others here too.
Posted 12/11/2011 3:57 PM (GMT 0)
If anyone watched the kona ironman world championship yesterday, there were everyday folks with prosthetic legs, a lady with cancer, an 81 year old man, and others with life threatening illnesses who participated. 2.4 miles swimming followed by 112 miles bike followed by 26.2 miles of running who finished. The lady with cancer was particularly inspiring. She may not live till next Christmas yet she finished. Attitude, folks, whether you like it or not plays a huge role in your recovery. I had a not so good night last night but awoke thus am and said to myself it was time to stop feeling sorry for myself and got out and ran 5 freaking miles. If a terminal cancer patient can run an ironman, than for God's sake I can get out and try my best. And it felt good!

I had suffered Lyme for most of my 52 years. My Lyme says I have 3x the amount of Lyme in me that keep mist of her patients in bed! Yet somehow I have endured. Maybe i have a good physical constituion or maybe its a never give up attitude. Who knows, I do not purport to be ant sort of a hero but I will say that I that I rarely give in to self pity and push myself to keep going. It is no picnic having lyme but we do not have to let IT define US. Slay it with healthy living, the right trwatment and a good attitude! We have this one life .....grab it for all it's worth!
Posted 12/11/2011 4:02 PM (GMT 0)
Here is a copy of my post in the thread that was locked yesterday:

I have to chime in that a POSITIVE ATTITUDE is a huge factor in getting BETTER. I have told my story many times and so I'm not going to tell it again here, but I am so much better -- I feel normal again. If you ask me if I am cured, I have no idea -- and try not to THINK about it in those terms anymore. I feel good, so that's what I think about. Please research the "*Law of Attr*ction*" which explains we get what we think about, whether you believe in it or not. If you want to get well, but keep thinking you won't get well or "this won't work either," that is what you are attracting to yourself. I am definitely NOT saying LD is is anyone's head (myself 4 horrible years undiagnosed and now treating for over 2 years) or that only THINKING about being well will cure you. Thinking positive thoughts about being healthy or feeling good or being functional again will attract to you what will help you to get better - maybe not a cure or being 100 percent because this is a real health issue with a real cause behind it. I am a fairly recent convert to this line of thinking and the results in every area of my life are amazing. I had pretty much lost any faith I had because I would pray before every doctor appointment that the doctors and nurses would care enough to figure out what was wrong with me, but yet it was the same thing over and over for four years. I also have no support outside of this forum, which I've discussed here before also. I was p----d off when I first came across this "law" and it was shoved in my face that we attract things we DON'T want into our lives. I thought it was a very strange concept that some goofball "made up" to make money selling their idea, but yet it intrigued me enough to give it a try and keep researching it (there are tons of books on Amazon and elsewhere on this topic). Totally unaware of it, I was one of the most negative people I know! I didn't realize that I was negative; I thought I was just observing what was going on around me and seeing the "truth" in every situation and being realistic. It's a "new" way of life and I am offering this concept out as help to anyone who is open to a "new" way of thinking (it's a concept that has been around forever, but the majority are unaware of it). It runs your life, whether you know it or believe in it or not. Please don't bash me for my opinion. If you don't agree, just don't comment on it; it's offered as HELP for those willing to be open to it.
(Note: I used *'s above because I don't want this post to pop up in a Google search...that has happened to me before.)
Posted 12/11/2011 5:10 PM (GMT 0)
hi all, i agree a good attitude is everthing. you cant begin to heal without it. my posts are not ment to ever put down or attack anyone for any opinion. i just like to see both sides. and look.... it worked. i finally got the answere i was loooking for. thank you for your posts Yazzer, and tala3. finally, i received the answer i have been searching this site for everyday. thank you thanks you thank you!
Posted 12/11/2011 5:24 PM (GMT 0)
Cheesehead..it so good to hear from you.

we need to hear more experiences at the other end of the tunnel.

about all the attraction and positive talking I believe that seratonin
(spelling) is enlightenment.

in other words if my brain chemistry like seratonin which is also a brain
gut connection, if it is low ...I am negative.

Or it could be other brain neurotransmitters.

All the positive thinking people forget that the
entity or bacteria or virus attacks first the brain and things deteriorate
from there on out.

I, personally, do not have a positive reaction to those who preach positive
talking, think, speak, believe, act.

My closest friends are actually in this "business" of preaching abundance and
positive mind and what I see is that a positive mind is also a turbulant mind.

I was taught that many years ago when I studied Zen.

I have tried everything. My life is gone just like so many other's on this forum.

How do you go from nothing to 6 figures a year (by maintaining positive mind)

to NOTHING..but a disability check.

We have lost our jobs, businesses, homes, our credit, our relations, ...EVERYTHING.

The inability to experience joy. Is a brain chemistry deficiency or INFECTION.

You can not treat a viral or bacterial brain INFECTION with an SSRI. And treating with antibiotics is difficult because this is in such a deep area of the brain.

So changing your DNA with positive thoughts ......I'm happy for those who have done it but I can see where it would turn other people off just hearing about it.

Something about telling others to use their mind to get well is taken very personally
as like being weak.

I am a big Tony Robbins fan. Awaken the Giant Within. All my success I did achieve by using those techniques.

When I used that technique 20 yrs ago I believe I was already sick and it helped me but as
the disease kept eating away at me those techniques were useless and really me focusing so much on everything being in my mind and really beating myself up for being weak minded had me NOT searching hard enough for what the heck was really going on. Like a tick borne specialist instead of hypnotherapy certifications and week long silent retreats. Drumming circles. Abundance consciousness.

I experience some of my POSITIVE friends to be riddled with anxiety. I realize now that the Roshi was right "A positive mind is a turbulant mind."


I get very turned off when people quote all about DNA and thoughts.


There really is a very good chance that all those antibiotics some did before going to Jernigan DID get rid of infection. He does not heal everybody in 2 weeks and many people get to that end of the spectrum AFTER years of antibiotic treatment.

I really don't believe anyone got cured because of the thing they just did last after months or years of treatments. It is a line up of things to get to each individual case.


For now I am trying to keep my head above water .

I found that my lithium levels were zero so I started taking low dose lithium and THIS did help with that crazy climbing out of my skin feeling and it helped with my extremely dark at end of line head but even that is just to keep a complete break down away.

But I still have the infection and am waiting for the money for the medication to deal with the bartonella. And all the other stuff.

and staying out of mold areas.

Many of us are dangling by a thread here.

I loved hearing from cheese head. it been a long time. Go enjoy your life and I know
you consider it a second life after all you have been through.

I hate long posts and I always make mine too long.
Posted 12/11/2011 6:06 PM (GMT 0)
Good post, Bucci - but please don't put me inthe Jernigan camp....my own personal opinion about him is....well, to be polite, less than positive (e.g., in all I've read and researched, he and his center come across as VERY self-serving and charges a LOT of money for dubious methods - I know I will get whacked here on this, but this is my own personal opinion and that is all I will say on the matter except that some folks have claimed to have gotten cured by him and that's all that matters for those folks!). And, I happen to agree with you about the fact that folks may have already taken a large leap forward in their treatment before getting "cured" by him. No more talk of him.

In a related matter, in my own personal journey, when I was having a year-long episode about 15 years ago (long before I realized that Lyme was the cause), Prozac seemed to help me when NO OTHER ANTI-DEPRESSANT would not help what the docs at the time said I had - anxiety/depressive disorder. When I look back now on this, I see that I was ALREADY coming out of that episode and it was coincidnetal that Prozac helped. 5 years, later, I would have another 'episode' and so tried prozac again - guess what? it did not work that time....duh!

But, bucci, I will tell you that it has been proven that positive outlook and things like positive healing visualization can and does actually change physical body chemistry. And it's NOT a FORCED positive mind you are looking for but one that is quiet and aware of the positive energies within (so, not to fall into the Roshi trap) I don't think folks are implying weakness in others who have trouble maintaining that mindset...it takes a lot of perserverance and practice and a weakened body due to infection is a hard place to begin applying those credos. However, just like we need to be slow and steady with our meds/herbals and supplements to bet better, we should also take some time apply some mental exercises towards the positive attitude goal. Just one minute a day, then two, then 5....imagine the meds working to kill off the critters, etc. It adds a VERY POWERFUL dimension to the ability to get better - one that will amplify many times the other methods one is using to get treated - and all it takes is a little time, something we all have a lot of when down with this disease..

Even the "god of Lyme treatment", Dr. Burrascano states this - that the people who are best able to overcome their disease are the ones who maintain a positive and determined outlook. Hell, I had been to the pits of Hell many, many times in my past, I have been to the ER in a panic, I have contemplated suicide (passively) at times in my past but somehow, I always had this slight twinkle of a light I could see in the distance that would rally me during the darks times. I became a student of Taoism, Buddhism, went alone on a yoga retreat, painted, ran, wrote books, read Jems Hillman's works, Thomas More's, Stephen Cope, etc. - all of these in an almost desparate measure to be better.

Sometimes, we try TOO HARD to get better too. I use the Chinese handcuffs metaphor - you know, those little finger binding tubes you used to get at the carnival? You put your fingers in each end and try to escape from them...the harder you pulled, the harder the grip they would hold over you. The secret to getting out was to relax and ease out of the tube while it was loose. To me, this means the answer for all of us out of this menace lies within - no doctor, medication, detoxing is ever going to completely work unless you come to grips within and open your mind to the possibility of an inner cure. Here I am preaching this type of thing yet I fall into my own mind traps on a regular basis...such is life and we all must find our own solutions....
Posted 12/11/2011 7:18 PM (GMT 0)
Tala3, i am and never have been upset with anyone on this site. i also have a possitive attitude that has helped me heal. the comment about people who get better making some who remain ill like they arent being cured because they have a bad attitude was made after reading a specific post from sicktoolong.maybe you should have read it before you became so upset. everyone keeps putting posts up about being bashed for there choice to have a good attitude. i have never bashed anyone. only offerd my opinion about a specific post. so please stop bashing me about what i wrote.
Posted 12/11/2011 7:27 PM (GMT 0)
thanks Yazzer, that is all i was trying to say and everone is so offended.
Posted 12/12/2011 12:14 AM (GMT 0)
Let go. I was not offended by anything you
Said. I hear you and sicktoolong was a great and real contributor
To this forum.

And Yazzer, i was trying to explain how people
Preaching positive thinking can be taken by those
Who are sick and tired as if not arrogant then insensitive.

The point is EVERYONE tuning into this site
To share love and information IS aware of how important it is to
Maintain a friendly mind towards their situation.

And Yazzer thankyou for being just about the only other
One who expresses the obvious about the Jernigan
Miracle posts.
Posted 12/12/2011 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
Amen!
Posted 12/12/2011 1:05 AM (GMT 0)
I tend to agree with BOTH sides of this argument. I do believe all the research about positive thinking changing brain chemistry, and how how important that can be as a factor in healing. I don't think anyone's trying to say that that's ALL there is to it, and I'm sure it is possible to recover from Lyme even if you're the biggest negative nancy on the planet. I just think it helps. For me it comes in phases. Some days I'm just so miserable and so negative and can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Some days focusing on "higher frequency" thoughts and behaviors is what saves me.

In any case I think once we reach a certain level of physical healing, once we come out of the darker parts of this illness, working on the mind comes more naturally.

I do understand those trying to "preach" positive thinking, because I feel the same way - I used to be a very negative person without even realizing it and when I change my perspective I definitely do feel better, although I'm the first to admit it's not always so easy. But telling someone "BE POSITIVE!" is almost guaranteed to warrant a defensive response - I know that when people used to say that to me it would just make me angry, because it seems to imply weakness, or that our problems are simple and benign enough to be "cured" by faking a smile. I get it.

We're all entitled to our own opinions, and to express them. The main reason for sharing our opinions here is to help each other however we can, and I'm grateful to hear all of your views on this issue.
Posted 12/12/2011 2:18 AM (GMT 0)
thanks borderlyme you said it perfectly. that is all i was the point i was trying to get across but somehow i think got misunderstood.
Posted 12/12/2011 2:58 AM (GMT 0)
letgo,
You haven't upset me nor am I upset about anything now. I did read the other post from Sicktoolong and I commented on that thread. People get upset on here all the time about something someone else posts and they don't agree with. I understood perfectly why that comment was made in the other thread that you are referring to. Some of us have been around for a while and have seen the same people get upset and say they are leaving. I really don't care if you agree with me or not, I'm just stating what is working for me because newbies keep asking...if you don't want to know, don't ask :)
Posted 12/12/2011 3:49 AM (GMT 0)

Tala3 said...
I agree with ALL of this 100%. I have told my story here many times over the past 2+ years and have been to the very bottom myself. I also used to post here a lot more, but just haven't been on as much over the past year because I'm feeling so much better and I've had the worst year of my life in other areas. I do pop in once in a while to let those still suffering know that some of us do get and stay better. Are we cured? None of us know, but new people keep asking does anyone get better? Will I get better? And when those of us who have gotten better post what has worked for us, you have to accept what we say, not get upset about what we tell you is WORKING FOR US. Some of us have been "attacked" by what we say, but yet those who are still ill keep asking, and we keep coming back to tell you, even though we are able to move on and don't have to. We do it to HELP those of you who are still in a place we were, right here on this HW forum, before getting better ourselves.

letgo, most people want to hear what works for other people and we are sharing what works for us. No one is saying that a good attitude is a cure in any way, shape, or form, but it will HELP immensely. Those of us who have ADOPTED a changed positive attitude did not start at that point on this Lyme journey, nor even go through most of our illness will that changed attitude. We found it and worked our tails off to keep a good positive attitude and it paid off with getting and staying better. This IS reality. I am very much a realist and have lived my entire life observing and wanting the absolute truth in every situation, and unfortunately there is a lot of negativity that goes along with that line of thinking. I "fell into" the positive attitude way of thinking and thought it was bull initially. I fought it tooth and nail and kept going back to what had alway worked for me -- seeing the "truth" and thinking it to death only to have the worst negative attitude and not even realizing it.

I actually got better before I changed my attitude. Then I got sick again and my attitude plummeted even deeper because I was much sicker and my regular GP told me not to come back to him with these problems because he doesn't know what is wrong with me and he already referred me to anyone he thought may be able to help me. I had NO ONE to talk to about it because everyone in my life figured if there was something really wrong with me one of these doctors would have figured it out. I could tell you several stories of situations I had to endure by people in my life during this time...not one of them a positive story. Besides horrible pain and many other weird symptoms, my mind was in such bad shape it was like I had alzheimer's (I'm in my 40's), and I KNEW this was something they were just missing because it had all come on so suddenly 4 years earlier.

A short summary what I did to get better was antibiotics for 9 months (my doctor quit her practice so then I no longer had/have an LLMD), many different types/combinations of supplements/herbs, including several rounds of teasel root; then I decided to try Dr. Jernigan's at-home protocol. His theory strongly urges the mind-body-spirit connection. I thought he was kind of a kook, but began his protocol. His protocol was not an overnight instant cure by any means. But slowly, I started getting better. Of course I started out thinking "I doubt this will work either," just like I did for any of the other things I tried to treat Lyme Disease. Then my life changed in a very unexpected way, and really to save my own sanity I turned inward and upward.

I've had a very bad year with the deaths of 3 family members, the first one being my sister in her 30's, completely unexpectedly (the other two were expected, but you are never ready with one being my father). After my sister's death, I was absolutely distraught, but I don't show it on the outside very much. I turned inward and began a journey that has turned my life around. The point of my story is that you can fight the idea that a positive attitude will HELP you, but it is life changing to make the choice. It's a struggle every single day to choose a positive attitude over observing the negative "truth," but the pay off is amazing.

Remember, those of us coming back to this forum to share what has worked or is working for us, are doing it to HELP those you who are still struggling. If you get upset or make comments like this:
"and there is nothing worse than a person with lyme disease who was cured in a month or a year or 6 years making the rest who remain ill, too tired to figt and broke feel bad for deciding to accept what we cant change no matter how we smile and say it will"

we may just keep it to ourselves and then the whole point of this forum is down the drain. You don't have to accept what we say, but maybe someone else will and it will help that one person. I don't care if YOU don't want a good positive attitude, but maybe I can reach one other struggling person who will benefit immensely.

You can bash me all you want for my opinion, but it works for ME and obviously works for some others here too.

Hi Tala3,
Good to see your feeling better, thanks for spending the time to post this I couldn't agree with you more.
So sorry to hear about your sister

Best wishes
Posted 12/12/2011 11:02 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you, Cheezhead. Glad to hear you keep getting better as well!
Posted 12/20/2011 2:19 AM (GMT 0)
Please be wary of "spite posts" regarding another thread that was started recently...I could be wrong, but this does happen on anonymous discussion forums. 

Post Edited (Tala3) : 12/19/2011 7:30:39 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/20/2011 2:36 PM (GMT 0)
??? - what's a 'spite post'?
Posted 12/20/2011 11:05 PM (GMT 0)
A 'spite post':
When someone says something in a post, then someone else who disagrees starts a post in response, spitefully.

Another word here- about Dr, Jernigan, or any other doc who is well advertised, like Dr. Klinghardt. Their names will not be banned here. People are welcome to post about their experiences with said Doctor. If you don't agree, that's fine, but that doesn't mean you have to respond either. There will be no ban on members mentioning a specific Dr's name unless that doc isn't already in the "Lyme Light"- Ha ha ha!! smilewinkgrin I know bad joke! but that's the only kind I can remember!!

We have this really neat little gadget here, called the ignore button!! It looks like a "thumbs down". If a person was to click that next to say, one of my posts, that person would no longer see my posts. If there is someone on this forum that you just can't take any more posts from - use that button!!! Of course I hope that no one chooses to ignore my posts. shakehead
Posted 12/21/2011 12:34 AM (GMT 0)
Hmmmm...sounds a little childish to me - the spite post thing. Oh well, such is life.
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