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Posted 4/29/2012 11:25 PM (GMT 0)
headaches, arm pain (nerve?), left side chest burning pain, chest fluttering, face pain- all of this started on thursday and has gotten worse over the weekend. i was on cats claw and 2 days of grapefruit seed extract when this all began. ive been to the doctor twice for the pain and heart fluttering, but of course nothing found on the ekg and no fever. has anyone had such an awful reaction? ive barely moved this weekend, cant concentrate on my hw- so much pain! i generally havent had the joint pain or chest pain before, primarily just neuro symptoms usually. i had gone off antibiotics after a severe allergic reaction at the end of march (and then 15 days of prednisone). what do you recommend for this? is this typical? or should i be looking into a possible complication of lyme?
Posted 4/30/2012 12:31 AM (GMT 0)
It is always hard to tell if it is a symptom or side effect or a buildup of toxins (herx). Have you tried magnesium for the chest fluttering. It also helps with nerve and muscle pain. Grapefruit seed extract can make me feel lousy too as it really packs a good punch. Sometimes with lyme new symptoms will creep in as the treatment progresses but these symptoms will leave too once you start to feel better.
Posted 4/30/2012 8:27 AM (GMT 0)
It does sound like a herx reaction. Are you detoxing? That can help relieve reactions like this.

Did your doctor offer you any help for the pain? It is important to manage it so that your spirits don't crash and so that you keep moving and exercising.

Hope this passes soon.
Posted 4/30/2012 11:28 PM (GMT 0)
no my doctor did not mention anything to help with the pain. this is all new! the pain is burning in my chest muscles, sharp pains in my hands and arms. does it make sense that i could be herxing even though i stopped taking the cats claw and GSE this past Thursday or Friday? I went home for the weekend and didnt have it with me. But the pain in my legs, arms, chest, has been so intense and awful- id like to just curl up and not do anything until it goes away but its been 4 days (not on any meds or supplements) and isnt going away!
Posted 5/1/2012 2:35 AM (GMT 0)
Cat's claw and GSE can be pretty powerful, and both act to sort of break up the bacteria's defenses against the immune system, so once they've done their job of breaking up the biofilms and cysts, it would unfortunately make sense that you're still feeling lousy if your body hasn't had a chance to catch up with all the bacteria and debris that's been dumped into your body.

If it helps I've been dealing with some similar symptoms lately...seems like a neverending herx - my brain feels like mush and the pain is nonstop and unbelievable! The only thing that really helps besides epsom baths has been taking LOTS of breaks with whatever I'm doing - it can be a bit annoying but it's a lot easier to do a little at a time every few minutes than to try to do a lot while fighting through these symptoms. Stay strong! It'll pass!
Posted 5/1/2012 2:32 PM (GMT 0)
My daughter and I have been using cat's claw/japanese knotweed (she uses abx as well), and when we began running low on knotweed I gave them to her and discontinued mine, but continued with cat's claw. After a couple of weeks I felt terrible. Pain everywhere, sore joints, felt fluey, knees like jello. Then it struck me - cat's claw boosts the immune system (supposed to increase CD57), but I was no longer getting the anti-inflammatory action of the knotweed. I think the upregulation of the immune system caused the overall inflammation I was feeling. I discontinued cat's claw and after 4 days I was fine again. I will not be using cat's claw without Japanese knotweed in the future.
Posted 5/1/2012 3:47 PM (GMT 0)
A lot of this sounds like Bart, but I am not certain... should check into this

Recently I was given an IV push of Glutathione and some of these similar symptoms seem to clear up. When the body is so taxed and can not detox on its own even with all the steps you take (skin brushing, epsom salt etc) even just a little help with this necessary amino acid may be what you need.

Have you tried this?

Posted 5/1/2012 4:37 PM (GMT 0)
i feel like the symptoms are caused by my nervous system. my pains radiate, sometimes when im sitting parts of my body go numb quickly, its just very uncomfortable and painful all the time! i have burning sensations, numbing sensations, sharp pains. if it is indeed the bart, what should i be doing to have these symptoms go down? anything good for nerves? and is this common in a herx?
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