Experiences w/ Samento and Banderol?

Hi everyone!

I was just prescribed Samento and Banderol today. Can anyone tell me their experiences with these? I will be taking no other medications for lyme disease...no abx yet and no other herbals.

What do you think about the need to heavily detox with these too?

Thanks!

WWJD20: What effects did you have and when did you start to feel them? What kind of intensity?

Thanks!

WWJD20: Thank you for the input on your symptoms and for informing me of the search! I didn't even realize there was a search, so that's fantastic!
I have also been doing a TON of reading. On days when I felt helpless, I thought that if I was at least educating myself, I would be doing something...it worked out though, because that's how I first started to suspect that I had Lyme disease!

WisconsinGardener: Thank you as well for sharing your symptoms. I have used Milk Thistle in the past for liver function, so I'll have to ask my doc if it would be ok to start it up again.
I have heard that it is normally a good idea to wait three days in between starting new things as well. I had doctors instruct me in the past to do this when starting new meds, actually. Then if there are side effects, you know which med is probably causing them. However, my doctor yesterday instructed me to start taking Samento and Banderol together, since they prescribe them to work together in some way :)

It sounds to me like you are having some herx effects from both: I think it means you're getting better...keep at it and stay strong. Thank you for sharing and I will update you as I go along. I just took my first drop of both this morning!

My daughter is taking both Samento and Cumanda and Serrapeptase along with associated detox---burber, parsley, pinella, etc.  She is up to 30 drops of each/day and we go 12 1/2 days on, then 1 1/2 day off, then increase.  In other words, she did 1 drop of each per day, and built up to 10--then stayed there for the 12 1/2 days, then up to 20, etc.  She is about to go up to 40.  (This is NOT her entire protocol, btw!). 

Anyway, wanted to share our thoughts about it.  So far, she is doing quite well.  She is up and around and doing better in a lot of ways.   We also had positive changes from her time at Hansa--so maybe this is a cumulative thing!  She was able to go to Calif alone to visit a friend for 10 days, has had great energy.  Still not where she needs to be, but these herbals really seem to be helping a lot without all of the side effects from the year of abx last year!! 

Lingering issues are insomnia and pain--going to keep going up, up, up on the drops!  I think she may top out at 60??, then will rotate to other herbals as needed.

I have been impressed with the protocol!  Of course, she is not on Banderol, but Cumanda.  Not sure why, but her protocol is individualized for her.

Hope this helps!!

I started Banderol and Samento as per the Cowden Protocol a month ago. I started at one drop of each 4x a day before meals and worked up to 30 drops. After 15 drops I had a two day herx with a nice Bartonella rash at the end. I continued on gradually to 30 drops and felt amazing. I was back running and felt 100% again... until a week later I had another intense herx (panic attacks, diarrhea, anxiety, skin rashes). I had to stop taking the herbs for a few days, but plan to continue on a lower dose and work my way up more gradually. They are powerful herbs!

I'm glad that works for you. I've tried that, but I generally start to feel unwell after 3-4 days, and I start them again. :(

So, an update.
I didn't have any huge reaction to 60 drops yesterday or today, but I am feeling noticeably better!
Also, the swolen lymph nodes behind my ears have shrunk.

I hope this makes a lasting effect. This stuff can get expensive. I know, not in comparison to some doctors and medicines without insurance -- but it's still about 200 a month on a full dosage.

After a month of this, I will stop the medication and see how I'm feeling.

Just an update to my post above. I do believe I had a herx reaction. Either that, or I got the flu around the same time. :o

re: Samento and Banderol, I have been taking them about a month twice a day and I recently noticed my stools are no longer well formed and some gastro-intestinal upset. Do these herbs caused the same kind of gastro problems that regular antibiotics do? I have made the mistake on occasion of forgetting to take them on an empty stomach which may be compounding the problem. Anyone have any thoughts about whether these 2 herbs are also killing the good bacteria. I am taking 4 Dr. Ohira's probiotics a day.

These herbs may be good if you have a lyme-only infection; but that seems to be rare as coinfections are often involved.

Samento/banderol did nothing for our daughter, but in her case bartonella and babesia were coinfections. We never trialled the other Nutramedix herbs.

as well as the Banderol ^^

Our daughter had been taking biaxin/rifampin for bart for 6 months when LLMD decided to trial samento/banderol/biaxin. We made it to 20 drops 3x daily but while on this protocol she eventually relapsed over a period of 3 months. This wasn't a herx, but a relapse.

I had unfortunately not heard of the other herbs available through Nutramedix and the LLMD did not suggest them. The outcome may have been different had we trialled houttuynia and/or enula as well.

Didnt dent it..but im really sick..it did bring it to the surface and into bloodstream. ..with iv h202 and got a positive igenix...rife seems to be making a dent but also doing bee venom...Andrographis and smilax seem to hit hard