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Posted 10/3/2012 11:26 PM (GMT 0)
Hi All,

My LLND had me start ABART drops about a week ago.  I started with 5 drops 2x per day and increased by 5 drops every other day.  OMG....I had such a herx.  I seem to have come out of it but I was wondering if anyone else is taking these and what your experience with them have been like.

I tested negative for Bartonella on my Igenex testing, but based on my symptoms, he feels like I have Bart, and I totally agree.  I have always felt like my symptoms were very "bartonella" like.

Anyhow, does anyone know if these drops actually KILL the bacteria or if they just up our immune system?  I am still battling fatigue today, but feeling better while still increasing.  Today is my first day with 20 drops 2x per day...

Also, am plugging away on the Green Vibrance and also started taking Alka Selzter GOLD 2x per day.  I read that this is helpful with herxing...  We'll see...

Anyone else taking this stuff?

Posted 10/4/2012 1:05 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Carrie,
I am on A-L not ABART and experienced a herx with just 2-3 drops so my LLND had me drop back to just one drop. My understanding is that these formulas are supposed to kill the bacteria. You can read more info on the website.

We also started Samento close to the same time and am just managing 2 drops a day.

For me these feel pretty powerful. I tend to be quite sensitive, will experiment over time with trying to increase both - we'll see what happens.
Posted 10/7/2012 3:04 PM (GMT 0)
I started A-Bart about a month ago, taken at least a half hour apart from A-L. I take approximately 5 drops, 2x's daily and have noticed first an increase in anxiety and then gradual decrease. Every day i seem to have less lyme brain fog, and i can get a handle on the anxiety with yoga, but i have to do it everyday, religiously to get that effect.

I hope A-Bart works for you. I am going to stay on it with the A-L for probably the next year.
Posted 10/8/2012 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
Hi MNGirl,

I too get a very noticable increase in anxiety when I increase my drops. I have notice that I also have a very "fitfull" sleep the first night that I increase my drops. But, as you said, it levels off - back to my baseline anyway. I've been dealing with anxiety for years...surely likely related to lyme.

I'm past my major herx. I herxed so bad for about a week after starting the ABART. I am anxious to talk to my doctor (I have an appt in a few weeks) and tell him the reaction I got from this stuff. I is very hard to believe for me that herbal stuff can be so powerful like this.
Posted 10/8/2012 4:01 PM (GMT 0)
Bart and lyme are tricky to seperate when you've been depressed or anxious for your whole life, like i have. It's hard for me to distinguish between abnormal lyme-induced anxiety and a generalized anxiety disorder. But for me, i am treating both lyme and bart and seeing a therapist for past trauma. Last night it felt like someone was doing kartwheels inside my skull...for past few days actually. I usually have to lay down for a period of time in the afternoons (i get sick in the afternoons generally which i can't tell which co-infection that means or lyme in general is like that).

Do you experience numbness, tingling, jerking in neck and legs, and super high anxiety? When i was driving back from Tennessee a couple of weeks ago to MN, i had super high anxiety because i felt like i was going to drive off the road. I was hyper-ventilating for the last 8 hours, pretty much on-and-off like every 15 minutes. I felt like i was going crazy. I know some people with lyme are too incapitated to drive, and i did feel like that was a crazy idea to make the trip alone. But, you gotta live right?
Posted 10/8/2012 4:14 PM (GMT 0)
P.S. Carrie, I am so glad that A-Bart seems to be doing a pretty great job hitting Bart. Are you on the Rifampin and Zith combo also? Are the reactions different with using the naturals versus the antibiotics? I am seeing my LLMD this Wed. and i'm wondering if these herbs are strong enough on their own. It sounds like for some they are, and can only tolerate a small amount. I don't know why but i can take high dosage (like you) but only had one major body herx since starting several months ago. I think it takes time, but i can't pinpoint the difference between abx and A-Bart/A-L except maybe it's easier on the immune system and less possibility for yeast problems.
Posted 10/8/2012 4:44 PM (GMT 0)
MNGirl,

I do experience numbness, tingling, pulsating, etc. I don't have any jerking though. I felt a "disconnect" from my body about a week ago (while herxing) while driving. It was the scariest thing and I absolutely knew that I needed to get off the road. I felt like I wasn't in my body. I did stop and took a break and got something to eat. Finally, it let up after about a 1/2 hour but I felt like complete you know what the rest of the day. I've always had a certain level of anxiety but to me, nothing abnormal until my symptoms of lyme started. Then I started having panic/anxiety attacks, through the roof anxiety. Horrible. Those however don't come as often now, thank goodness.

I spent a year on ABX and did feel better however, went off of them last Feb or March becaus of GI issues, acid reflux. But unfortunately, my symptoms have been flairing. My doc wanted me to do this ABART challenge and then we are going to talk about IV Rocephin I believe in a few weeks. My lyme is mostly neuro...lots of neuro stuff.
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