Can I take a break...pleeeaasssse........

Oh wow, I am trying so hard to stick to the program but after 1.5 months of 200 mg doxy/day.  I am struggling.  I woke up in a full blown panic attack this morning and felt for sure I would die!  I don't know how much longer I can take this with seeing no improvement.  I am as sick as I was at my very very worst point now.  I don't want to stop the meds but I feel like I need a break.  Everything is too much for my weakened body right now.

I want to skip for the weekend.  I want to be able to get out of bed and not be so dizzy, nausous and in pain.

Does anyone ever skip a few days?  I have a call into my dr. and am nervous about what she will say.  I'm begining to wonder if I can handle the antibiotics which makes me scared for where that leaves me for treatment.  I mean that is a low dose of doxy and if it puts me through this much heck then I've definately got my work cut out.

Didn't mean to ramble, just need to vent.  Feeling quite alone and isolated.  My family thinks I'm messing up my treatment and giving up when I don't take my meds.  Just trying to get them to understand my body needs to catch up...

Doing everything I can to detox but I think my body struggles with this. Dry skin brush, daily detox baths, coffee enemas every other day, drink a lot of water and herbals, right now taking pectasol and benonite clay.
Crashed terrible after 3 days of methly protect and 5-mthf twice a day so I laid off that for a couple days and was gonig to start taking it one time every 3 days here shortly.
I've also started accupunture.

My diet is clean, eat only organic, very little meat. No dairy, sugar or gluten. I drink green veggie juice twice per day and include parsely and cilantro in these.

Come on body! Detox already ;) !!!

Thank you for the information. I didn't know that about the coffee enemas or clay. So good to know.

I take a lot of probiotics.

I'm so sorry you having such a rough time Heather. Have you gotten hold of Dr. W... yet?

Dude, who wouldn't feel like total crap on taking those antibiotics crap for so long?

I would like to tell you about zeolite for detox. So much better in detoxifying than bentonite clay.
And if you're getting it, look nowhere other than the Healthforce's Zeoforce. Its the purest, most effective there is.

https://healthforce.com/education/white-papers/zeoforce/ - info

Healthforce is simply on another level with all its products. I'm just a big fan.

I have a completely different perspective on coffee enemas. The proper way to do a coffee enema is to only use 2-3 cups. This small amount only impacts the lower portion of the sigmoid colon. Coffee enemas are not a colon cleanse. The caffeine in the coffee causes enervation of a nerve that stimulates the colon to release a large bile excretion. The bile flushes toxins out of the liver.

When a person's body is overcome by cancer an extremely toxic build up in the body is created, as well as as acidosis. Gerson Therapy has been proven to cleanse the body and raises the PH to a more alkaline basis. Many people with incurable stage 4 cancer have been cured. Coffee enemas are the technique by which the liver is cleansed of toxins which are then eliminated out of the body via the colon. I highly doubt that they are able to accomplish such a near miraculous outcome by destroying beneficial gut flora and otherwise harshly impacting it as well. It varies according to the patient, but most of the Gerson cancer patients perform 5 coffee enemas a day for at least 6 months, and then reduce down to 3 times a day for the next 1.5 years! If a daily coffee enema is harsh to the GI tract, and the the intestinal flora is destroyed as has been claimed by naysayers, then just imagine what 5 times a day would do! The colon would be destroyed, but how are they then able to rejuvenate an overwhelmed immune system when 70% of the immune system resides in the gut? None of the negative claims adds up with the actual positive results that these dying patients receive from the coffee enemas. Here is what the Gerson Institute says about coffee enemas:

http://gerson.org/gerpress/faqs-detox/

Some lyme patients have cured themselves of their Lyme and coinfections when other approaches have failed. Here is a testimony from such a person. He was a long term chronically ill person. The first link gives his story. The second link is an update. I hope that his testimony dispels the myths about the supposed damage that coffee enemas do to the gut!

http://gerson.org/gerpress/the-real-me-is-returning-lyme-disease-the-gerson-therapy/

http://gerson.org/gerpress/life-after-gerson-my-first-year-free-of-lyme-disease/


i want to add my own personal testimony about the issue. I was a gung ho young guy that was a nationally ranked athlete in my younger days. Somehow I was able to function in my sport at the same time that I turned into an alcoholic when I was in college. I handled the pressures of my life, my studies, and my sport by resorting to alcohol. Anybody ever heard of Mickey Mantle? He did the same thing. I routinely drank myself into oblivion thousands of times between the ages of 18-33. I was not a moderate drinker. I approached my drinking just like I approached everything else in life- full tilt. I gave up alcohol at the age of 33 by going cold turkey. I sealed the deal by ceremonially pouring my extensive and expensive wine collection and my well stocked bar down the drain. I did it because it was destroying me, my relationship with my wife, and my relationship to God.

Everything has been restored, but my liver had been damaged. I have all the signs of a damaged liver. My personal research has given me the insight that my liver can be healed by targeted detoxification. Another fallout of my alcoholism is that I have had a weak and apparently damaged GI tract for many years. However I have been doing 2 things during the last 2 months that hascompletely revolutionized my GI tract health, and the way that i feel. I also assume that part of my overall sense of well-being is because my liver is repairing as well.

I have been making my own cultured (fermented) foods and eating 2 servings a day. I also have been doing daily coffee enemas for the last 6 weeks. My GI tract is now feeling the best that it has for 30 years, and I am now 58 years old. I can personally attest to the fact that the claims against coffee enemas are without any merit. If the negative claims against coffee enemas were true to any degree at all, then it would have been impossible to achieve the starting reversal of the damage to my GI tract! Now anyone reading the testimonies of the lyme patient as well as my own have additional information on which to form an opinion.

Dr. J. also recommends coffee enemas to be performed as part of his at-home protocol. When a person as well-informed as he is in favor of coffee enemas, then I take pause and listen. I believe that it is one of the best things that a person with lyme could do for themselves. It sounds to me that coffee enemas restore the immune system- not destroy it!

Pathogenkiller- My objection is not with you as a person. You seem like a great person that is knowledgeable about a lot of things pertaining to this illness. I agree with the majority of things that you post. i just feel that your posts in this thread have missed the mark. You would be better off believing the "science " behind the IDSA studies than that offered by the Wikipedia article that you cited. I could also have written a tome objecting to the USFDA "science" about bentanite clay, but the mere fact that it is the FDA makes my point. I will simply say that many naturepaths have discovered that the judicious use of bentanite clay, psyllium seed, and appropriate supplements have corrected leaky gut and malabsorption. Yet the FDA claims that it promotes malabsorption? Hmmm, that is a new one for me! I know that bentanite clay should not be taken with food as it could and would bind to some of the nutrients in the food or the food itself. That is a completely different issue than claiming that it coats the GI tract and creates malabsorption syndrome. I believe that their claim is nonsense.


Don

Don, you just started reading about gerson and now his approach is a modern marvel? Have you ever done gerson therapy? I have. The whole shebang. I was sicker at the end then when I started. Have you sat in Lyme and chronic disease groups with people so desperate they would try anything and instead made themselves sicker and sicker? I have. So, I'm glad it's working out for you but for every positive story you find, I can find a negative. There are always multiple sides to a coin. Daily enemas are good for nobody. Period.

I think both drs you have referenced are complete quacks. I know this is almost and advertising forum for dr. J but, Dr J says holds no weight for me.

I'm sure some people hate the FDA and think Lyme was created at plum island for population control and it's a huge conspiracy. I'm interested in studied facts not conspiracies about the FDA trying to keep us from great knowledge. You shouldn't drink clay every day. There are plenty of studies about this and our own common sense that we should not eat nonfoods. When I make a post, I do not have time to write a dissertation. I have time to make a point and others can research it if they wish or reject it. I figure there is plenty of dangerous advice on here I could spend all day and not counteract it all.

I spent a decade of my life chasing all this crap... unpleasant enemas, horribly restrictive juice diets... Clinical diagnosis of all kinds of incorrect illnesses... eating clay...homeopathics....and getting sicker..

Now that I've done actual tests and am being treated scientifically I'm 80% well in 3 months. With no abx. I want people to know that there is hope that doesnt include doing things many say are bad for you.. It includes finding a good dr who practices good medicine based on fact.

Pathogen Killer,

I don't know you very well but I do know coffee enema's have been extremely beneficial to my healing and I have been well for over 7 years.   Before jumping to any conclusions I suggest you do more research as coffee enemas have been around for 100's of years, why is that?  Because they help chronically ill people.

And to attack Don?  Have you not read the rules?   I don't believe this...  Are you not aware of how Don's daughter Heather became totally well?   All because of Don's research and knowledge? 

I guess you will put me in the same category of advertising for Dr. J. because I became totally well and stayed well since I used his healing at home protocol after reading his book? 

Some people just don't get it that there are "good people" in this world who only and "only" want to help others such as myself and Don.   There is nothing in it for me except seeing people get better instead of dying.  Perhaps I'm old fashioned that way or perhaps it's just my nature to help others since I have been doing it ever since I could remember and I'm 56 years old.   Not only have I helped people all my life (letting people who had no place to live come live with me, yes but also helping animals).    I guess the world has changed....

Again, I am amazed by people who feel so threatened by Dr. J.   Good luck with your 3 months of feeling better.

Denise

I did not attack anyone. I responded to someone who addressed me.

Coffee enemas have been around for a little under 100 years and only became popularized through gerson. Enemas have been around for hundreds of years and I've got no beef with them.

I'll post the whole Wikipedia here as it's simply the easiest source. There have been numerous studies on these claims and all the reputable ones show that regular coffee enemas destroy your gut flora.

While the idea of rectal cleansing dates back to the Ancient Egyptians, the notion of caffeine as an enema-related substance is relatively new. It was conceived in 1917, and first appeared in the Merck Manual in 1972.
In 1920, German scientists investigated caffeine's effect on the bile duct and small intestines. Max Gerson proposed that coffee enemas had a positive effect on the gastro-intestinal tract. Gerson said that coffee enemas had positive effects on patients with tuberculosis, and later even those with cancer. He claimed that unlike saline enemas, the caffeine traveled through the smooth muscle of the small intestine, and into the liver. This, he said, cleared even more of the gastro-intestinal tract and removed more toxins and bile than a normal enema. He told his patients often that the "coffee enemas are not given for the function of the intestines but for the stimulation of the liver."
Effects and dangers[edit]

Some proponents of alternative medicine have claimed that coffee enemas have an anti-cancer effect by "detoxifying" metabolic products of tumors. There is no medical scientific evidence to support any anti-cancer effect of coffee enemas.[6]
Coffee enemas can cause numerous side effects, including infections, sepsis (including campylobacter sepsis), severe electrolyte imbalance, colitis, polymicrobial enteric septicemia, proctocolitis, salmonella, brain abscess, and heart failure.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] If the coffee is inserted too quickly or is too hot, it could cause internal burning[14] or rectal perforation.[15] Long term use of coffee enemas can lead to malabsorption of fat, fat-soluble vitamins, and calcium.[16]
The use of coffee enemas has led to several deaths as a result of severe electrolyte imbalance, hyponatremia, dehydration, pleural and pericardial effusions.[8][16] The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has ruled that study participants must be warned of the risk of death from coffee enemas in studies that use them.[17][18]

Hi Deejavu,
Thank you for asking. I am hangin in there. Today seem a little better so am trying to be optimistic ;) I really think I might have minorly ulcerated my esophogous with the doxy. I laid down in a detox bath and probably didn't let enough time go by after taking my meds. To top it off, I feel like the bartonella symptoms are flaring up on me.

Trying to ride it out, hopefully on the tail end!

Thank you for the detailed information. I spend all my "down" time reading up on all these things. I tend to beleive that history holds some clues and something that's been around so long with proven results holds credibility with me. I also beleive that the government agencies do NOT have MY best interest in mind, especially with how I've been treated ;)
The coffee enemas have provided me the best releif of symptoms out of anything I've tried. My ND said I was doing to many at 2-3 per day in my weakened state so have scaled back to every other day and seem to be doing alright on it. My blood levels get checked every month so if there was a problem with my electrolytes etc., I would have a great monitor on it.

-Heather