When Does Sleep Resume?!

I tried Thorne Rhodiola (100mg Rhodiol Rosea) last night. Had rapid heart beat immediately (not huge heart palpitations like during parasite meds, but rather small constant quivering). It delayed my sleep till 1 am.

I did have an easier time getting out of bed though. Woke up a few times but fell back asleep. I even slept through some noise outside my apartment which is rare these days.

Was it too high a dose for me? Maybe I should hold off on it till after I get rid of the parasites? I know my parasites are contributing to my occasional heart palpitation problem.

Is it a full moon? Is it the same all over the world? (I am in Ontario, Canada)

I guess I didn't notice which means my parasite symptoms are getting better, LOL.

I'll try lowering the dosage next time. Thanks for the suggestion!

That is interesting how Rhodiol Rosea can cure Lyme. How does that work exactly? I am curious.

Post Edited (taroki) : 1/16/2014 6:14:49 PM (GMT-7)

PS, I've heard you're supposed to take Rhodiola in the morning, not at night, because it's kind of stimulant, even if it does help you sleep. Plus, it takes time before you notice the effects.

That full moon was beautiful, but it sucked. I'm starting to believe Trav., but I'm sure no one would believe me if I said anything, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

Margaret

LOL a list of EVERYTHING I tried before rhodiola

Melatonin

Tryptophan

Ashwaganda

Sleepytime Tea

Valerian

Benedryl

Seratonin

I know there was something else but I can't remember!

As per drs guidelines I was taking two pills in the AM and 3 about an hour before bed. I think for the average person it works as a stimulant but for me was the exact opposite. It is supposed to reset signaling in your brain if that has been affected by Lyme. I did have heart issues but those primarily resolved before I started the rhodiola.

@taroki - look up resetting your HPA

http://smart-drugs.net/Rhodiola-rosea.htm

That is one site though I don't particularly like it but it explains what rhodiola does.

Cardioprotective Activity

Rhodiola rosea has been shown to moderate against stress-induced damage and dysfunction in cardiovascular tissue. Treatment with Rhodiola rosea extract prevents the decrease in cardiac contractile force secondary to environmental stress in the form of acute cooling and contributes to stable contractility. In animals, acute cooling leads to a decrease in myocardial contractile activity that partially recovers during the first 18 hours after the cold-stress is removed. This recovery is viewed as only partial, since the heart tissue is incapable of stable contractility during perfusion. Pretreatment with Rhodiola rosea extracts appears to create a beneficial adaptive response in this type of stress. When Rhodiola pretreated rats were exposed to acute cooling, the decrease in contractility was prevented and stable contractility of heart tissue occurred during perfusion.18

Other reports suggest administration of Rhodiola rosea protects cardiovascular tissue from stress-induced catecholamine release12 and mitigates against adrenaline-induced arrhythmias in rats.13,14,19 The antiarrhythmic effect of Rhodiola rosea is suggested to be secondary to an ability to induce opioid peptide biosynthesis13 and related to the stimulation of peripheral kappa-opioid receptors.14

I dunno about rhodiola for sleep folks. Im on it for energy. And it works! There are much better adaptogens for sleep like Ashawagnada.

I also would watch any Tylenol products as they are hard on the gut and can add to leaky gut.

I am crying reading this thread.
I am coming to the realization that I may very well have lyme (tested neg) but positive band 23 & 41. I went from being a sound over sleeper to a desperate raging insomniac not even responding to sleeping pills. I literally have tears streaming down my face to think there may finally be a reason and perhaps a
Solution!

:( I'm sorry Taroki! I would advise not taking it period if you think it is what caused the rapid heart beats. I threw an email into my herbalist just to get her opinion on it. Researching rhodiola and I can't find much other then it is an adaptogen and cardioprotective so I'm a bit puzzled. It is possible that it affected your hormones which can take a couple days to stabilize. There are a few possiblities that I'm trying to see if there are any studies on.

1)Allergy
2)Herx
3)Result in hormone/adrenaline changes

Certainly call your dr and advise them what is going on. I don't think you are screwed up forever at all, your body just needs time to heal! If you only took it once that wouldn't be enough time to improve your sleep unfortunately - perhaps there is something else you can try but I wouldn't suggest that until you are back at your baseline!

I'll let you know when I hear back from the herbalist!

***UPDATE*** I just read on this page if you scroll down, one person reported having palpitations and then said that they stopped that dose and were told to introduce it more slowly and the heart symptoms let up***

http://www.herbwisdom.com/review-rhodiola.html[url]

Insomnia is actually a side effect of olanzipine so just keep that in mind. Try not to worry too much - if the heart symptoms are a result from the rhodiola it will subside once it is completely out of your system.

So you can exhaust your adrenals by detoxing too much? How do you know and how do you fix that?