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Posted 6/5/2014 11:03 PM (GMT 0)
Anyone taken these two supplements?

I dont know what brand they are from and how much to take and how to take?! can anyone shed light on this subject !!

and has anyone herxed and how do you prepare for that?

 

Posted 6/6/2014 12:26 AM (GMT 0)
They are signature products from Nutramedix!

You take these products on a completely empty stomach, so make sure you don't eat 2 hours before taking these, OR half an hour after taking them. Also you want to mix your banderol or your samento in different cups of water so don't mix them together. You can start at the lowest possible dose of 1 drop of samento mixed in water, drink that, wait 15 mins take 1 drop of banderol mixed in water. You can gradually titrate yourself up to adjust to a dose that is tolerable for you. This may, or may not cause you to herx, it all depends on your bacterial load.

I have been taking 4 DROPPERS full! Of each LoL, after awhile when you get further into treatment you start to get to a point where you don't herx anymore.

But when I first got sick and first started taking it, I immediately started taking 15 drops of each nothing... no herxing, next day I took 30 drops of each... I think something happened as I was knocked out and in a fog the next day! I didn't know what hit me, it felt like a tonne of bricks ! So that's why might want to be careful.

The Nutramedix directions suggest start 1 drop of each twice daily, with each day progressing you increase the dosage by 1 drop. So you go 2 drops daily. Some LLMD say just start at 5 drops of each.

So it's upto you, the important thing is to find the dosage that you can tolerate.

BTW banderol and samento has been proven to be highly effective, as effective as some antibiotics. It treats spirochetes, round body forms, and knocks out biofilms. We just don't know it's tissue penetration though but we assume it does treat infections in the brain.
Posted 6/6/2014 12:37 AM (GMT 0)
Hi rnbelle,

Both Samento and Banderol are made by Nutramedix ... You can order them directly from the Nutramedix website, or pretty much anywhere on the web ( amazon . com )

I took them - I was in between doctors and wanted to try something.. This combination is what first brought out the red "bartonella" streaks and lines on my skin - prior to taking them, I had had symptoms for 2 years, with about a year of different antibiotics and mepron ...

Samento and Banderol was the first thing to do this ( as far as bringing out and addressing what is thought to be bartonella )

Unfortunately, when I started up w/ a new doc, she began her own treatment plan ( which failed miserably ) and I stopped the Samento and Banderol .... I am seriously considering starting the 2 up again on my own ...

Do not put them together in the same glass - take them 20-30 minutes apart, before a meal ....... I would recommend starting very low - a few drops in a small amount of water ...

So if you are getting ready to eat, tale the Samento about 40-45 minutes before the meal, and the Banderol about 20 minutes before the meal ......
Posted 6/6/2014 1:04 AM (GMT 0)
do the samento and banderol need to be taken before meals cuz it causes upset stomach?
Posted 6/6/2014 1:04 AM (GMT 0)
maybe i should detox detox detox before attacking my body? maybe build my immune system first before taking anything to KILL KILL KILL? LOL
Posted 6/6/2014 1:23 AM (GMT 0)
The banderol and samento need to be taken on an empty stomach so that it will be absorbed into the blood stream better. If mixed with food it may not absorb as well.

I found banderol and samento to be well tolerated and it didn't upset my stomach at all! It's pretty easy on the stomach. : )
Posted 6/6/2014 1:56 AM (GMT 0)
rnbelle, Samento ( which is a specific form of Cat's Claw ) is considered "antibacterial" on its own, but it is also an immune modulator in that it has been shown to boost white blood cells and help immune function ...

I believe that Stephen Buhner has also said it can act as a blood thinner ..

Have you been on antibiotics for a long ( or short ) period of time ? . . .
Posted 6/6/2014 5:01 AM (GMT 0)
Yes, they helped me a lot, until I got really bad diarrhea from them. But I have a history of c. diff. (and diarrhea).

Margaret
Posted 6/6/2014 5:01 AM (GMT 0)
Yes, they helped me a lot, until I got really bad diarrhea from them. But I have a history of c. diff. (and diarrhea).

Margaret
Posted 6/6/2014 5:04 AM (GMT 0)
And yes, major herxing. Start by doing heavy detoxing a few days before you start the actual abx herbs. Whatever you do, DO NOT do the entire Cowden Protocol, or you'll herx yourself to hell (or a hospital bed or psychiatric hospital). Otherwise, I found those two herbs to be very effective.

Another way to prepare for herxing is to start VERY slowly. Don't even follow any directions; just go at your own pace, one drop a week, two drops the next week, and so on, or whatever feels right to you.

I noticed benefits after three drops a day, but that's also about the time I got diarrhea.

Margaret
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