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Posted 6/3/2014 9:13 PM (GMT 0)
I have unexplained neck discomfort / aches only when I sleep and no doctor can help. Can you please describe what exactly your neck pain symptoms are if you have Lyme??

My symptoms are not neck pain, more aches but it is Def causing havoc on my sleep. Trying to figure out if it might be from Lyme.
Posted 6/3/2014 11:02 PM (GMT 0)
I have neck pain. I had to get a mini Tempurpedic pillow and that's the only way I can sleep. When I went to Sponaugle I took it with me because I knew I would not be able to fall asleep on a regular pillow. All the muscles in the neck area are tight and achy. Like I need a massage every day.
Posted 6/3/2014 11:09 PM (GMT 0)
The neck is the p trap area of lymph system.
Its worst spot for pain due to lymphs being backed up and the nodes get bigger putting pressure on ligaments and nerves and causes pain.

This is why we have all over FMS pain too and why pain travels from spot to spot

Also this is where biofilm loves to take there home and attach to vein system.

Hot spot for Lyme and hot spot for pain and aches and discomfort.
P trap
So if you think about it and the nodes are your sewers you need to make sure drains are working before you try to undo your thick stagnant buldging nodes.

Detox detox detox.

Treating my lymphs has helped my neck pains and stiffness
Tremendously.

I have a chiro Pt for low back as I had to have disectomy from an accident and years of Lyme it just got too severe and immobilized me.

She said she is amazed by my neck and range of motion etc
It does get stuff if I'm
On my cell too much ! Who's doesn't. .
I use it to be online too much but I hate sitting !

My detox has been seriously what has reversed severe pain and I had to be on narcotics for years. Neck gathers a lot due to above and neck is my last detox area needing attention too. It really is hardest for me to fully reverse due to biofilm attaching but I also have had years of illness before diagnosis and treated without learning to detox and wasted time with that adding to my toxin load being told to hold out I will feel better " later " " after". If you can't clear a herx in hours / days your too toxic.

Post Edited (LoveTheLight) : 6/3/2014 11:17:10 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/3/2014 11:15 PM (GMT 0)
Hmmm really interesting! Thank you so much LoveTheLight!
Posted 6/3/2014 11:26 PM (GMT 0)
A few questions:

Do you actually have neck pain and how would you describe it?

Is it constant all the time?
Posted 6/4/2014 1:23 AM (GMT 0)
@ lovethelight, what are you doing to treat your lymphs?
Do you have swollen lymph nodes? Where? Are they painful?

I have bad neck pain, spine and muscle aches in the neck, and through my collar bone and right shoulder and down my arm as well - the new "thing" for the last 10 days or so.

I noticed a new swollen lymph node last week just above my collar bone. I started using a red root and echinacea blend, but so far the size and pain hasn't decreased. Curious what you have going on and what you're doing to treat.

Thanks!!
Posted 6/4/2014 2:21 AM (GMT 0)
I had stiff neck, and it was creeking quite a bit. Also it was sore. Then I also got it in the upper back, and one time it was in the lower back. It was achy, stiff, and kind of creeked a bit when I moved it. I don't get stiff neck anymore though or stiff back.
Posted 6/4/2014 2:51 AM (GMT 0)
I used to get constant stiff necks, muscles were very sore all around my neck down into the shoulder blades. I spent years dealing with this but now it doesn't bother me much but the muscles still feel sore. It cracks sometimes like your breaking a tree branch. I've had NUCCA adjustments, regular chiro and feldencris therapy over the years. My neck was one of the biggest complaints, it will also lock up in the thoracic area.

I take a muscle relaxer at night but going to stop for awhile and see what happens.

I've had Lyme for 15 yrs and just got diagnosed so now I know why my neck has bothered me so much over the years.
Posted 6/4/2014 5:57 AM (GMT 0)
Lymphs are 3/4 your fluidity
And blood 1/4

The nodes are your sewers and they get full and hardened and clogged. But if you try to treat just them before you make sure you have all your detox pathways open you will just back up worse and feel worse.

You need to get your liver kidneys gut skin etc all flowing and working first.

Think of your body as pipes in your house
Blood is faucets.
Brings in nutrients and stuff to you.
The rest is outward and lymph nodes sewer
So you need to clear the drains and unclog and get them moving.
Then you can work on lymphs and the sewage has a place to drain our freely through.

See the detox detox detox thread for things and ideas and modalities and how I did that.

The diet and hydration gives you a jump on lymph detox
Then you can use things like cold laser - works great !
And vibration and rebounding and such.

After you know you are for sure moving the lymph you can add massages and such. If you skip above you can end up pushing toxins to heart of rest is backed up or not flowing.
One doc said just don't do manual lymph work and don't risk it.
But that's for really toxic sick people.

So anyway.
Depending on how long and how toxic and how bad your lymphs are will depend on how long it takes to reverse it.

Be patient and take the right steps and it will be so worth it. !
It took me from severe pain and narcotics to off pain meds.
Seriously.
It was lymphs causing my overall Pain.
It's not from nerves .. The nerves are being pushed upon by the bad lymph condition.
The nodes full up and the fluid thickens and gets sluggish and clogged and therefore those nodes are bigger than they are supposed to be.

They need to not only move but be liquid instead of thick.
They also need a place to drain through.

I hope this helps paint the picture.

The neck is p trap.
And has been area of toxicity worst for me and where biofilms loved the area too because the whole area was staved out of oxygen too and most toxic. After resolving most all lymph areas I found my neck area carried biggest toxicity and vein blockages due to biofilms.

If you can find a person to do cold laser lymph drainages
That would be great.
But not before you are for sure detoxing your drains.
:)

If you do it first you will herx and recirculate and not get to resolution.

Some people are already detoxing fine and you all probably know who you are.

If you can barely treat or barely do detox modalities you probably are toxic to the top and need to get your body clearing and flowing before perusing things that add to the load and need a way out.


Right ?
Makes sense.
I hope so
Posted 6/4/2014 8:00 AM (GMT 0)
I have Lyme. Since I also have bartonella and babesia my symptoms came on like a 10 ton hammer. devil The Lyme did not come on as hard for me. It was slow. Hurt here. Ache there. Twitch here. Very hard to pin point. My neck pain did get bad eventually. Started to go up to the back of my head which had me concerned. Then to the sides of my head. Then my face started going numb. My lips would get blue. Pain also ran down my spine and through my shoulders. I did some prodding of where the pain actually was at in my neck and it didn't feel muscular. It actually felt on / in the bone in my neck / spine. It sounds like it happened all at once but it didn't. Was over a 3-4 month period and progressively got more noticeable till it felt like a knife someone was pressing in my neck all the time. Now I am on the meds I get herxs where I can't move my neck in any motion. It goes away after 3-4 days then my neck is alot better till the next herx. And so it goes.
Posted 6/4/2014 3:58 PM (GMT 0)
Can I make the assumption that since I have absolutely no neck issues during the day and only at night that it is NOT from Lyme?
Posted 6/5/2014 12:25 AM (GMT 0)
No. At night is when my pain always increases due to laying down your lymphs are more stagnant and not flowing from walking and moving and that fine line can put the pressure on the nerves from the 600 plus nodes in the lymphs that are bigger from toxins from lyme and treatment and from our immunity not detoxing and from lack of detox supports in the lower end of our bodies too. Also The neck is that p trap of the lymphs

I try to take hot shower or bath before bed and drink lots of water even though I get up during the night to go tot he bathroom.. but anything to help the flowing right before and during sleep.
I even will do coffee enemas before bed. I get no affect from the caffeine. Or other detox supports and it makes a big difference.
Posted 6/6/2014 12:55 AM (GMT 0)
LoveTheLight, does anything improve your symptoms of neck pain? I've done everything you described plus 10 and nothing remotely made a difference. Basically no symptoms during day, and nothing relieves symptoms at night. Wonder if this is not Lyme...
Posted 6/6/2014 5:08 AM (GMT 0)
Back of the neck . . . comes and goes . . . worse before and after a migraine, but not necessarily related . . . had extremely stiff neck when I was in my 20s . . . .

You need an orthopedic pillow!!!!!!! A good one--not just Walgreens!!

That is so important.

Margaret
Posted 6/6/2014 4:47 PM (GMT 0)
Lovethelight- Thank you thank you! I can't believe I found someone with similar complaints! Feel like I might not be the only one out there! I started getting severe headaches in late January...only when laying down. They hit, then go away for 30 seconds, sometimes a minute or two, then hit again...ALL NIGHT long. Then it got worse...radiated down to my shoulder. Now I get a terrible ache right in front of my shoulder at the exact same time my temple is throbbing. Then a sizzly nerve pain down my right arm to my wrist. Tried accupuncture - nothing. He said the path didn't make sense. Chiropracter - nothing. I'm doing physical therapy with massage now for the nerve pain...but it just is getting worse. I take 3 Tramadol plus now I have to take xtra-strength tylenol with it at night to even be able to get in bed. I've had to sit upright to "sleep" since January. Neuro is attributing it to my multiple sclerosis, but I think Lyme's makes sense. It is now getting to the point where sleep is impossible. I'm seriously sleep deprived. Have resorted to Ambien to get a few consecutive hours. I'm panicking because I can't go on this way and have two very small children.

I'm sorry to be uninformed, but I don't know what a "herx" is and I am not well versed in how to go about detoxing. I'll look up the post you referenced above, but if you could spare the time..any info you could give me would be so appreciated. I don't know how to treat my lymphs or get started and I'm desperate.
Posted 6/6/2014 11:52 PM (GMT 0)
Hi

Oh I spent time trying to sleep sitting up. I feel you on that one !
Its aweful to fear going to sleep due to increase pain or symptoms.

I know everyone may have different cause.

You may want to read up on CCSVI

For me its been clogged up blood file and clogged lymphs
Both increasing inflammed area and increase toxins
And imagine the nodes fuller or more stagnant
It literally pushes on nerves

People may not realize how sticky and stuck and thick a lymph can get. We have to keep it not only fluid but moving.

I would try to read the detox thread and also research online and watch your tube videos by NDS usually have great informative ways to teach you the connection and ideas on how to change it.

If it is part of your issue it's not instant fix. To get the fluidity and push and get it moving is a process of undoing.

If you have vein blockages that's another issue that has causes me issues and biofilm protocols or even some do a angeoplasty surgical treatment. But with ill people it can happen again after a couple years if you havevr fixed your disease and treated the bugs and also do ongoing biofilm treating.

I will tell you its not easy. !
But for me. I have resolved 90 percent of the neck issues but I do s feel more fatigue when laying down so I'm still addressing the veins while keeping up on lymph support and though too you can't really push lymphs until you get your bottom end pipes moving.

I suggest you spend some good time on education before just trying something. You can make yourself worse if you don't understand all the detox pathways and what order to do things and how to time and how to do the modalities etc.

I wish I had a more simple answer.
Take a simple set at a time but get detox on board as at least 75 perecent of your concentration and in time you won't regret it.

Go slow and add one thing at time and read read read research research reasearch. The more you know the easier it will be for you and most successful.
Posted 6/9/2014 3:34 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for your reply, lovethelight. I've started researching. I'm starting detox baths, increasing fluid intake and am trying to work in exercise. Waiting on test results, but am positive it's Lyme's. Feeling empowered now that I have something to work toward and not just taking pain meds.
Posted 6/9/2014 4:10 PM (GMT 0)
I'm glad you feel some direction and hope you get some answers too.

Start slow and monitor your reactions so you can gauge what you can handle and how to build.
I don't know how long you have been ill etc but it can take time to undo or unwind issues that built up over time.

But it's like peeling back layers and for me symptoms leave in order they came on. Proving to me what I was doing was working.


Fluid intake is essential to support any detox method internal external and benefits will be much bigger hydrated.
As well as it being a detox modality in itself and essential for health.

How many of us measure out our water for the day ?
I get lax at times and stop measuring. But lately I throw up my glass water gallon in the counter and I make sure it's gone that day. I wake and start our with two full 16 oz glasses after a night of sleep its essential to get water in you first and get flushing from stagnant night.

Anyway. Just starting with water intake measured and doing this daily you may already see a difference and I even have had a herx type push reaction pushing just water.

You can add a little real salt for the minerals your cells love or baking soda for alkalinity. Make sure it's filtered and not in plastic bottles. But that water detail subject woikd be a whole long thread. So I'll leave it there at the basics.

Measure the water though. You have to or you won't be getting enough. It's actually not easy to push through half your body weight in oz at least.

Then when you add baths etc you have the hydration to Push toxins out. I drink extra right before the bath and even during and after. Same with enemas. Very important. To flush toxins you don't want a dehydrated body to start otherwise it's looking to gather in instead and you want a push outward.

These details you learn as you keep researching.
Don't depend on forums and others and such as me but get your solid info better from doctors or articles or presentations or research and even doctor video postings or demos.

Keep us posted and I hope you get relief.
If you have a positive test for Lyme you may want to look into the biolfilm connection too which can end up sitting mostly in you neck veins which is where the environment is they thrive.
To keep in mind as your tests come back

I sure hope its all negative for Lyme though !
Good luck.
Posted 6/17/2014 4:24 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks so much for the reply, Lovethelight. I have been pushing the water for a while now, I knew I was somewhat dehydrated. Luckily, I've been on a pretty "clean" diet for almost a year now. Eating gluten and dairy free with very little processed food. One test came back negative, one positive for Lymes. Getting a lumbar on Monday. I continue to try to get at the root of all this and appreciate the suggestions and areas to reference.
Posted 11/17/2015 6:16 PM (GMT 0)
^ Hi Sean, do you have Lyme? You might want to make a new thread as this one is over a year old.
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