Ammox success? Mike? anyone?

Girlie, Dr.Ross is being harassed by watch dogs that are threatening to report him to the FDA so he took lots of his info down temporarily.

The amox was okay for me....supposedly it is a good antibiotic to clear the eyes inner fluid out. But unfortunately my bartonella flared back bad while I was on it. I was taking Houttuynia too so I don't know why it came back so bad.

Well a little in the sense for awhile I had few symptoms at all until the Bart came back. I used it for a month.

Some doctors think it's not as good a choice for Lyme and they prefer to use just intracellular antibiotics. But I think Dr.Cs approach is that intracellular abx are more toxic. Try it and see how you feel. I think it helped for my eyes though. Some doctors will prescribe amoxicillin with something like azithromycin at the same time and they find that works better.

Can you tell I have read way too many LLMD blogs and treatment recipes!

I was on ammoxicillin when I was 8 years old and had meningitis from a tick bite. It helped me then. I was left with very mild symptoms which I believe were from Lyme toxins I was not able to detox. I believe that it was an acute infection and that's why it helped.

Girlie- ya if you read lots of LLMD reports they tend to choose a drug from column A (amoxicillin, ceftin, supax) and a drug from column B (azithromycin, clarithmycin, doxycycline), and just in the past 10 years something from column C a cyst buster flagyl (but in the past 3 years it was discovered tinidazole is more effective.

There is a thought that if protein synthesis is blocked the cell wall won't be built as fast and this is how amoxicillin kills them in the cell wall. So some say it limits the effectiveness of the amoxicillin. Dr.MR even had an example of ceftin + minocycline + flagyl. He said some suggest not to combine a protein synthesis inhibitor with a cell wall drug that will limit the effectiveness, but he then says he finds this combo to work really well in patients. There is also another school of thought particularly in the LLD world brought about by Dr.B... And that is treat lyme in 2 different compartments... Fluids compartments, and tissues compartments. Amoxicillin is for the fluids compartment, azithromycin is for the tissues compartment.

Dr.H, Dr.B, Dr.S all suggest using both. The amoxi is still going to work. On lymemd blog he says macrolides work better when combined with a cell wall drug like amoxi.

It's your choice. I personally think that of the intracellular drugs, the macrolides are among the least toxic. Doxycycline is more toxic, Dr.H says the tetracycline family of abx will harm the mitochondria overtime,e Dr.C also things that. I would maybe send Dr.C an e-mail? I personally would take the Zithromax too, good tissue drug and lasts for a long time in the tissues.

One part of treatment that Dr.C is probably more familiar with is the Japanese knotweed and the cats claw. Probably more effective than we think.

I'm going to ask for azithromycin next for 2 months after my clarithromycin. Azithromycin is easier on the stomach than other intracellular abx. I'm doing biaxin and it is kind of heavy on the stomach , 1 gram daily dosage daily! But it is the better lyme drug of the macrolides and also passes the blood brain barrier which is why I chose it.

Hey Girlie! IMHO, I would say Amox def has "its place" in treatment. Will it alone entirely get "the" job done, I dont think so. Its awesome your doc gave you the probenecide to go with though-even better! I never was prescribed probenicide but I had read about and I always wished they wouldve prescribed me w/amox.

I was prescribed 30days of Amox 875mg 2xday by my first ID doctor when I believed I was in 2nd stage of lyme. That 30 days worth, pretty much alleviated all my symptoms! Even now looking back, Amox has always had the biggest impact on relieving my joint pain for some reason. I was on that along with Diflucan for yeast (which actually has some effect towards lyme apparently also). So it did me good there the first time.

The 2nd time I was prescribed was when I saw my llmd for the first time this past April. He gave me 500mg 4xday for 30 days (I built up from 2x a day for the first 2wks then upped dosage to 4xday). It made me herx pretty hard! At this point I hadnt had any abx in my system in a while either for months prior so my bacterial load was pretty heavy, hence the hard herx.

So again, I think it has its place in treatment whether early or in late stages of lyme. Both times for me, it did *something.

I love Amox acutually (lol). Ive never had any bad side effects nor do you have to worry about some of long-term residual damage some of the other abx are possible to cause. ....and unlike Doxy, you can go in the sun for goodness sakes! I hate that about doxy ;-/ Sometimes it just makes me happy to see a blue sky and feel the sun shining on my shoulders outside.

The only thing I will say, for me, is that.... it dont take long for the yeastie-beasties to start coming out when Im on Amox due to it being such a full broad-spectrum antibiotic. Def keep up w/your probiotics and any other anti-candida treatments you can incorporate!



Btw, very wise of you to space out starting your new supplements, meds, and such to keep eye open for any reaction or interaction ;-)


Best of health to you & xx's
-Courtney

Unlucky - I'm only going to be taking 3000 mg of amox, but I have the probenicid that increases it's effectiveness - I'll have to look it up - not sure if it allows it to stay in your system longer, or if it increases it's "strength".
I think giving it a try and seeing if i get results is the only way I'm going to know if it's effective.
I have made very modest improvements so far on the doxy and even after adding zithro. i now have a rash...and we were thinking it was zithro, but I'm off zithro now, haven't stopped the doxy yet..and yesterday my rash was as bad as ever.
I think I'll not take doxy today, or next couple days....I'm just worried about not having anything in me for three days - the time it takes to get the non antibiotic supplements into my system. I don't want to do everything at once - or i won't know what the reaction is.
I will be starting amox in a few days.

Girlie - What I am saying is amoxicillin doesn't work on any Lyme bugs that are living inside of our cells, or Lyme bugs that are deep in tissues. Instead it works in fluid compartments like our joints, eyes, and places in the body like that. Also it is exceptional for the blood based infections. But the thought is that intracellular antibiotics are necessary for treating Lyme infections as they still pass through the blood stream and then they go inside our cells as well to get any germs inside them. So now we got two forms of the germ covered. Some LLDs argue if you hit them with one form like amoxi they will just run and hide inside cells. So you may need to hit both forms. Other LLDs argue if you use an intracellular drug you are covered because they drugs still are transported outside of cells. So that is why some LLDs might say a cell wall drug is not necessary. And still others suggest using rotations.

The probencid reduces the amount of amoxicillin that your kidneys would otherwise excrete this increases the levels in the blood for longer periods of time and in higher concentrations. Amoxi in the body has a half life of something like 1 hour! Not very long, hence why you are taking it 3 times per day. Also amoxicillin may decrease the number of cystic forms giving it some slightly extra germ coverage.

But even though Dr.Chan doesn't have an intracellular he is using the Japanese knotweed so I think this is an intracellular herb that works pretty well. Japanese knotweed has an added benefit that it is actually healthy for humans!!! It has lots of polyphenols and resveratrol. So it has an effect of turning off bad genes and turning on good genes. It is the compound in red wine that makes people youthful. There is a longevity enthusiast who swears by it and takes it daily everyday. It will keep your metabolism running well also.

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Girlie, I haven't taken amox, so I can't help you with that. However, I read that Dr C has you on adrenal supplements. Can you tell me what he has you taking? Thanks.

Thanks Girlie. Guess I will wait until I see him in Oct. I've started Cannabutter which is helping with some symptoms. My main issue now is fatigue. The cannabutter is helping with joint pain and depression.

Yes, Courtney - I do buy Kefir sometimes.

So far, I haven't had any yeast issues - not down south (hehe) or on my tongue.
I've been fortunate - I have only had one yeastie (down south) in my lifetime. So, I'm definitely not prone to them...but I'm keeping my eye on it...

Re: my new abx routine - haven't started yet. I have been off antibiotics now for three days...taking a chance...but I want this rash on my back to go away - I think now it was from the doxy. I don't want to start the Ammox with the rash. The rash is definitely better today. not completely, but somewhat.
I also wanted to wait re: abx because Dr. C. gave me some "extras" to take...so want to make sure I don't react from them bfore starting the Ammox...or I won't know what's what as far as reactions go.

Isn't this just dandy...all this time and energy we spend on this nasty illness? It's crazy.

Dmw52, what is canna butter? Is that what I think it is, cannabis butter? I wonder would hemp oil extract concentrated CBD work for that?

Oh I forhot, if you go on amox or continue it I hope you are on antifungals as well!