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Posted 12/11/2014 12:37 AM (GMT 0)
I want to do only herbals now and not more antibitoics but I am scared to!

the herbs feel so nourishing and the antibiotics feel so harsh. I am so tired of being on the antibitoics.
But I am scared to trust the plants alone because I just don't know!
Posted 12/11/2014 12:43 AM (GMT 0)
Can you do both KB? I am doing both now. I started of w/ herbs (Byron White formulas AL-Complex for lyme, A-Bart for Bart and A-Bab for Babs). Stopped for the first month of abx. Then I've started them up again. I'm on a low dose of abx right now and high doses of the herbs… will slowly increase abx while still taking the herbs.

Not sure which herbals you're taking program you're on but can you take both?

-p
Posted 12/11/2014 12:50 AM (GMT 0)
I hear your concern. Risky, either way.
There are dr.'s that only treat with alternative methods. (I'm actually thinking of starting abx again, but hesitant).
R u getting better with ABX? Too many side effects? Other problems?

why don't you look for a practitioner who treats lyme with herbals. Cowden Dr,'s, Klinghardt practioners, chiropractors, NDs.
This doesn't mean you have to stop the abx, because you r seeing them.

Also, don't know if you r into ART/kinesiology, but they might be able to tell you which abx are good /not good for you...which might give you more clarity on the issue. (Personally, ART/kinesiology always proved right...I got to the root of things, backed with labs, based on these alternative techniques), but, ya gotta be open to it.
Posted 12/11/2014 12:56 AM (GMT 0)
thanks. My story is on her so many times- but in short did 6 months abx plus mild herbs, got 85% better- stopped abx for a month stayed on mild herbs.
Relapsed.
Found out about very promising herbal regiment from Traveler. Tried one day and herxed (yesterday)
Talked to my llmd today and he said go back on one-two months of abx, plus herbs if I want- and then transition to herbs. Already have the herbs and they feel very promising.
Either way I will go on the herbs.
Just want to be courageous enough to not do the abx too.
May be ok with one more month of abx but am getting tired of them. Would rather just do herbs now but nervous about it not working as well. Get lots of unpleasant side effects from herbs (nerves tingle/ stomach issues)
Posted 12/11/2014 12:59 AM (GMT 0)
Got it. Sorry - I get confused.

So—I think your gut is telling you to nix the abx… so—give it a try! Give the hooch a chance (go slowly and increase detox) and keep good records of daily development. Meet w/ your LLMD again in a month and see how things are going…

-p
Posted 12/11/2014 1:55 AM (GMT 0)
Katebirch - some herbs are more potent than ABX, you just have to figure out which ones they are.

Second of all - to help minimize the GI upset, as you probably know, if you take with food, it can decrease the GI upset...Yet, some are better absorbed without food....so ask, which can be taken with food.
There are also supplements to help coat and sooth the GI tract, which can minimize the irritation.

Third...I know, I always talk about him, but Dr. K has his ways of making herbs that much more potent...I.e ., making them liposomal, taking with silver, ozonated supplements, via suppositories, that area has a rich blood supply, so almost like IV effect, etc.
Posted 12/11/2014 2:11 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the replies.
I have been thinking about this all night! I took the abx today- a stronger dose that I have since I got back on them 2weeks ago and I just feel sick to my stomach and toxic.

I am right now thinking I will just stay on the lower dose abx and add in a low dose of rifampin, and then slowly add the herbs. And then just at least give myself time to see if they really work.

The herbs I have seem amazing. And in tea form they seem so much more potent than the tinctures and powders I Was taking. And when I get up to full dose on the herbs, they seem very promising.
So maybe I think my gut is telling me to at least give the herbs a try, while maybe staying on the lower dose antibitoics.
Maybe- I am still evolving my thoughts on this but at the moment I feel toxic from the abx I took and just don't want to walk down this rd again when I have a gentler option that may be as or more effective.
Posted 12/11/2014 2:43 AM (GMT 0)
You don't have to make a decision over night...u can think it through, and move when u r comfortable.

I don't want to push you toward stopping the antibiotics, cuz think it's better if you tune into what your body is telling you, and come to a conclusion that you are comfortable with...But, I do want to say that antibiotics caused other infections with me. Many abx are derived from mold. I was told die-off, die-off, die-off, when in fact it was fungus and mold growing out of control. Yet, other abx, tested well for me (Kinesiology). Figuring out if ur toxic feeling is die-off, another infection going on, or simply the side -effects, may make it easier for you to decide on how to proceed.
Can your dr. rule out fungal, mold, or other opportunistic infections?

Additionally, I think all of this is a learning process. It's good you r thinking it through, listening to your body, and asking before doing. I realize part of treating lyme involves steps forward and backward....Hopefully, you'll make the better choice.

Lastly, if you go off, and see that you are doing worse, you can always restart the abx.

Keep us posted on what your thoughts/decisions.
Posted 12/11/2014 2:43 AM (GMT 0)
Mike, Can you please share with me what makes you feel that herbs are the right choice for you? What about this choice are you glad about?
Posted 12/11/2014 2:45 AM (GMT 0)
thanks d2getwell,
I was thinking that tonight too- I can give the herbs a try and always go back on the antibiotics if I need to
Posted 12/11/2014 4:20 AM (GMT 0)
I appreciate too reading all these comments here.

My son is on herbals now, and he is feeling good, although they sure make him herx (and for him it's in minor motor tics- the build up of toxins contributing) so I do believe they are helping; finding the bacteria and getting it.

He's not just herxing with them though. Since we started the herbs I've noticed on his symptoms chart that I keep, a less number of complaints in joint pain (which is basically about his last symptom left; it comes and goes), so I think they are getting the lyme, he herxes, we detox continually and he goes to a new level of healing. That's what I think is happening.

Anyway, for my son the reason we changed to herbals when we did was mostly b/c he started having yeast issues (sore throats, tummy aches, fungal rashes, gas all the time, a few toenails falling off); it was time for a change. Leading up to that I had considered herbs and wanted to try them, and then with the yeast suspected (and abx side effects too probably causing tummy aches) it was time, right then.

I just wanted to comment here, b/c back in June I was going through what you are now: trying to decide if we would switch. I'm very grateful to the people (like on this forum) who helped me, with info and sharing stories. For me, once we did switch for him, I had a lot of peace. Every person is different, and I like what someone said about go with your gut.

That's all we can do, is research, research, research, ask questions like you are, consider, and then make the best decision we can with what we know.

I hope you find peace in your decision!
Posted 12/11/2014 11:09 AM (GMT 0)
Maybe stick with the low dose abx for only 1 month. You seem to tolerate the low dose and it did help you get to 85%. One month isn't really that long.

During that 1 month, very slowly titrate up dose of teas. That way, when your month or abx is over, you should be on a reasonable dose of tea to prevent backslide. Then you can drop the abx. Or maybe take abx every other day for a few weeks. Then mabe only take abx on weekends for a week. Then maybe stop them altogether.

All the while, you should be slowly stepping up your tea doses. So, then you can be on full strength tea only! Hopefully this way you won't backslide and it might be better to gradually ease your body off the abx over time and not stop cold turkey.

Weeks 1-4: low dose abx, low dose tea
Weeks 5-6: abx every other day, increase tea dose
Weeks 7-8: abx weekend only, increase teas dose
Thereafter: discontinue abx, increase tea to full dose

Just a thought. It may go more smoothly and prevent herxing.
Posted 12/11/2014 4:45 PM (GMT 0)
Frewooo, the person that created that protocol talks a good talk, but is still showing signs of infection, so I would caution anyone looking at that self made protocol to be very, very careful with it. The only person claiming healing from it that I'm aware of is the person that created it - and as I said, they still show signs of being infected.
Posted 12/11/2014 5:00 PM (GMT 0)
Do it but stay strict to ILADS guide of what to eat. Its a blessing for your cells to go free from chem!
Posted 12/11/2014 5:40 PM (GMT 0)
Katebirch, I'm all for herbals only.
Freeooo, thanx for the link,
Interesting read
James_B, how true that is,
feed the body good real food
=]chloe
Posted 12/11/2014 5:41 PM (GMT 0)
LOL! Shows what you know, Freewoo - I don't get paid to help others, your motivation, however is questionable.
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