Chronic Tonic as used by Trav

Because it's hard to know exactly how much to drink so as not to over do it. Just how long did it steep, and so just how much should you reduce your dose by???? Because there are 11 different herbs in it, you could overdo it with the wormwood, which is for parasites, or it could be the red root which can make your glands all hurt - not fun, believe me!!

I've had to throw out a couple of batches over the course of the year and half that I've used it now with 2 separate Lyme infections. Using a timer really stops this from happening.

Thanks, that makes sense. I'll just have to remember to use a timer. I don't use a timer for anything

Thanks Trav! I took notes of the previous sites that rowingmom mentioned and I added yours too. I'm hoping to get everything tonight.

Hooray for the chronic tonic! I think this must be the better "cured twice protocol". Darn I felt something swimming or vibrating in my brain again. Esspecially when I woke up this morning. I have a bad feeling I still have lyme.

Traveler - Did you start the Chronic Tonic again? Sounds like a winner for sure!

Sorry - just want to "connect" these thread with another one:
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3342622

Wow, thank you Simela!!! I don't suppose you have a link to that statement, or even just remember who said it or who they worked for or something? I'd love to be able to track that down! It's worth asking!

It's actually hard to say for sure to be honest. The one thing lyme doctors are realizing more and more and so are researchers is that it's too hard to tell who will relapse and who will not. I heard an interview with Dr.Horrowitz and he said 99.9% of his patients will relapse! Well I plan on being that 0.1% by the way but he did say that. We have to figure out ways to defy the odds.

I just watched a video last night of someone who supposedly caught it early and was treated with antibiotics right away and it went away. Well guess what! Lol 13 years later ... Yup 13 years later it came back!!! Omg my jaw just about dropped. Sometimes people just think okay it's gone but really it's not gone.

LP:

Given that we can be infected in so many ways eg: mosquitoes, the person that found to be infected 13 years later could have been re-infected!

People in the study were tested and the second time around were discovered to have a completely different strain than the first time--hence the undoubtable conclusion that it wasn't a relapse but a re-infection which we can't argue with, right?

Yes, I believe relapses are possible if the person wasn't treated sufficient. But from the study, there was 100% proof that the infection was a new one, since the bacteria was of a different strain.

It is costly to follow patients and test them this way, but this is the only way to tell for sure if there is a reinfection or a relapse--by comparing the bacteria strains.

Post Edited (Simela1) : 2/28/2015 11:24:23 AM (GMT-7)

Kisses to you, Simela!!!

Hey Trav

You know I'm beyond thrilled that you beat Lyme again. Congrats!!!!

Would you mind sharing just what you do for protection both on a personal basis and with your yard/garden?

Thanks in advance :)

cd3764 said...
Hey Trav

You know I'm beyond thrilled that you beat Lyme again. Congrats!!!!

Would you mind sharing just what you do for protection both on a personal basis and with your yard/garden?

Thanks in advance :)

Awww, Thank you CD!!! I'm kind of excited too, don't ya know?

I'm going to give Buhner's suggestion a try. I'm currently using 2,000 mgs a day as I'm still backing down from using it as part of my treatment from this last tick bite, but I will be lowering it to only 1,000 mgs a day for prevention.

Buhner states that if you get bit or notice a bulls eye to immediately ramp up the dosage each week until you reach 16,000 mgs a day for an active infection. And if I were to get bit again and suspect an infection, I would also start back on my Chronic Tonic herbs.

*a quick disclaimer: I receive no benefits whatsoever from Ortho or any of it's affiliates for mentioning them. I was asked what I use and am simply sharing that information.

I also use Bug-B-Gon granules by Ortho twice a year in my yard and garden. It helps with chiggers and mosquitoes too, which are horrid and can pass these infections as well. I have dogs, a goofy cat who thinks he's a dog, and very young grandchildren that I need to protect.

If I choose to go out of our treated area, that's when I use the deet spray - or if I notice that we are coming to the end of the effectiveness of the Bug-B-Gon and the insect activity is getting high again. But make no mistake about it, in my mind, I'll take the side effects of using deet to having to live through this infection again!!

I hope that I was able to answer your questions!!

Hi,

I'm brand new to this forum. I moved from Europe to Oregon in the hope to find treatment. I have been sick since 1970 when a severe case of Epstein Barr hit my group of friends. We all got sick but I was the only one hospitalized for 4 months. After that I never recovered and was diagnosed in 1980 with ME which was a legit illness in Holland before the CDC decided to add Chronic Fatigue to it and made it the laughing stock of the medical community.

I became bed bound and use a wheelchair and still no treatment that works. Last year a famous ME/CFS professor dr Kenny deMeirleir from Belgium started to see patients in Nevada. I wanted to see him hoping he could give me some hope because I was becoming suicidal and had no hope left.
He took one look at my face and said it was obvious I had late stage Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia and Borreliosis. To say that was a shock in an understatement.
I gave a ND that specializes in Lyme and CFS so I had done some test that came back inconclusive and we always treated symptoms as they appeared but sometimes it feels like carrying water to the sea.
The Belgium dr prescribed an IV abx protocol that none of the American docs were prepared to do. No one wanted to take the responsibility for if something would go wrong.
So in the end I spend a ot if money for nothing.

I have Buhner's books, read a lot about Lyme coinfections on top of my ME. I suspect a tick bite in 1999 in Switzerland. There was an epidemic and they were vaccinating people like crazy but obviously too late for me.

Traveler or anyone else, I would like to ask a question about the tonic.
When you say drink a cup is that an American cup or a European teacup what you call demi-cup?

I'm close to MountainRose herbs and they will help me getting the herbs I need and than I will give it a go!

It has been a lonely road in a new country with no family, no real life friend, only online friends who are awesome btw! I find next to the pain the isolation the hardest to deal with.
I have already read and learned so much from all of you! Thank you so much!

Hi Pdxgrl!!
Welcome to our community!! I'm very glad you found us!

I'm so sorry for the issues you have gone through! At first (back in 2005) I thought I had ME (not CFS), so I'm familiar with the true definition of ME.

When we talk about measurements here on this forum, please always assume that we are talking about American measurements unless otherwise stated - but always feel free to ask!! Those are important questions since they relate to dose size.

And specifically for this thread, they are all American measurements, so a cup is one measuring cup - 8 ounces.

If you are interested in seeing a LLMD (Lyme Literate Medical Doctor), I have several listings in Oregon. Please send me an email by clicking on the blue envelop under my name. Please include the area that you live in so that I can get as close as possible.

And please know that we are here to help you through this!!!