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Posted 6/30/2015 8:46 PM (GMT 0)
Okay so i recently got tested for lyme. I suffer from brain fog, fatigue, depression, eye floaters. No real pain in joints. Although the day of the test this did happen badly as well as a couple days afterwards. But now there is no pain. Just the brain fog and fatigue.

My test results came back with band 41 IGG and 23 IGM reactive. I assume it was the Western Blot(can't afford Igenx test right now).

I was also tested for EBV and that came back off the charts high. My WBC is 3.7. It has beens teadily decreasing since November, in Nov it was 5.1. I am thinking that may be to a vegan diet though. I have had problems with eating meat in the past, but it's getting better now. I can tolerate some 2 portions of meat per day.

Can anyone give their thoughts on my reactive bands?

I am 22 yr old male. I am going tomorrow for a syphilis test to rule this out. I have been dealing with these symptoms for 4 years now. Question is if I do have syphilis would it still be able to be treated or am I screwed?

Thanks.
Posted 6/30/2015 9:17 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Sscobalt93, welcome to our community! There is a wealth of knowledge here and a very supportive, caring group of people

Even though your test wasn't Igenex Western Blot - this is what the Igenex one says:

"By Igenex criteria, IgM Western Blot is considered positive if two or more of the double starred bands are present: 23-25, 31, 34, 39, 41,and 83-93."

So, you having 41 and 23 - does mean positive - using Igenex standards.

I also have low WBC - mine is usually around 3.3. Before diagnosis, when my symptoms first started, it was 5.0. Mine has actually dipped to 3.3 on occasion.

I don't know about Syphillis treatment. hopefully the test is negative.

I think it would be wise for you to look for a Lyme Literate Dr. and schedule an appointment.

We can help - you just need to start a new thread titled: "Looking for LLMD in/near_____" and insert your city/town and State.
Posted 6/30/2015 10:50 PM (GMT 0)
The only thing is I cannot afford a LLMD. I am however starting Samento. I took one drop today. It is powerful stuff. Within 10 minutes of using it I felt my tattoo start to ache(wondering if that's healing scare tissue) my traps started to ache and then my liver felt tight for a minute. Then it moved and the pain subsided. It's odd.

You stated IgM. Mine wasn't all IgM it was band 41 IGG and band 23 IgM. Does this make a difference?

The doctor I go this test done said it was nothing. And didn't feel like talking about it. I am reading about the cowden protcol and this is going to be my approach for right now until I can afford a LLMD.
Posted 7/1/2015 12:21 AM (GMT 0)
OKay from what I understand IGG is chronic and IGM is acute. Does this happen in lymes? One chronic and the other acute?
Posted 7/1/2015 1:07 AM (GMT 0)
Oh, sorry I missed that one was IgM and one was IgG...well it wouldn't be an Igenex positive, but even without an overall positive, you had positive bands showing....so a LLMD would look at that and say you have lyme disease, especially because you have symptoms.

The Cowden protocol is used by many here on the forum...it's an accepted treatment in the 'lyme community'.

IgM is considered an active infection (not necessarily new, or acute, but active)

And, I'm not sure about the IgG.

But, positive bands in either IgM or IgG means lyme disease.
Posted 7/1/2015 3:47 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you. According to Web MD that's what it said about IgM and IgG differences. I would be more concerned about the syphilis issue if I didn't have the band 23. As I believe that band is more specific to Lyme disease, correct me if I am wrong I am new to all this.

As of right now I am taking Samento. I have banderol on my next order that I am going to be placing this thursday. I decided to add things one at a time slowly to see what's doing what. I also bought BurBur and Pinella for herx reactions. The other herbs will be added in once i get on a 'stable' dose of each of the main herbs. I think this will be a reasonable approach until I can afford to see a LLMD. I have found a few where I am, I do have to travel a bit but I am willing. I think the approach I am taking is not only cautious but not wasting anytime into killing lyme and any possible co infections.

I may just go ahead and save up for the Igenex test so when I do see my LLMD it's already out of the way and we can get to business. I am not about waiting around for things to happen. I am ready to get things done, although I do know that Lyme is a process in treatment.

I am also hesistant on taking antobiotics because they wreck my gut and my mentality. Last abx I was on I was pooping blood(sorry for the TMI) that was while using Florastor. I get super bad gas pains in my back that feel so bad. It's almost not worth the pain I have to endure. That is why I am hoping these natural herbs will be more gentle on my gut.

Thanks for your input. It has helped out! I will keep you updated on my test results I get for the STD testing. I am not that worried about it, but I do need to rule it out.
Posted 7/1/2015 5:08 PM (GMT 0)
As you can see from Girlie's helpful responses to you, we have some pretty amazing moderators on this forum!

I just tried to help other new members with the same question as you. Another of our amazing moderators, Traveler, added even more info to my response, so I wanted to share her thorough response with you as well. Girlie and Traveler are WAY better at being clear and succinct than I am!! :-) Here's the link:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3443507

Good luck!

MauiHawaii
Posted 7/1/2015 5:26 PM (GMT 0)
Amazing Moderators - thank you Maui!!! We kind of like you too!! smilewinkgrin Giggle!! And you do very well - thank you for all of your help!!

Hi Sscobalt,
Welcome to our community!! You do seem to be pretty well read on this subject!! That's wonderful, as knowledge is power when it comes to battling these infections even if you have a really good LLMD!

I would suggest that you read through our "New to Lyme? Start here!" thread as it has a bunch of detoxing suggestions, which will help you live with the treatments much easier. One thing that will help protect and detox your liver is milk thistle - most here use it, unless they are like me and have a rag weed allergy that sometimes keeps a person from using it.

Also be sure that you are using high doses of probiotics - 30,000 to 100,000 units a day are common for those of us in treatment for these infections.

And keep asking questions!!! Knowledge is the only way to beat these infections, even if you use a LLMD.
Posted 7/3/2015 12:23 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks! I am not sure if I have a ragweed allergy. What are you symptoms for reference. I am currently taking Milk Thistle I actually just started a few days ago. I know that it is believed a congested liver means a person can be angry and when you detox a liver lot of emotions come out. Well I took my milk thistle before bed last night and I had a very emotional dream, stuff from my past came back to haunt me. I actually 'confronted' my problems in my dream and I woke up crying like a baby! I'm not going to get into detail with it, but it was a very positive dream in the end. Me waking up crying was almost as if I cleaned out my closet. It's crazy because I NEVER cry. I mean NEVER even when I want to. I thought this was interesting, I guess it is cleaning my liver!

I have a MTHFR gene mutation and that is causing issues with detox for sure. I am ordering lot of detox supplements($200 order!). I know when I get methylation going my detox will be a lot easier. I have issues with BH4 and ammonia build up.

As for probiotics I am starting on prescript assist tonight. I cannot tolerate regular probiotcs. The Lactic acid causes brain fog for days. Even worse then what I am dealing with. I tried a trial dose of prescript assist in the past and it really helped my cognition.

I am determined to beat this. I did go today for my STD test and I am sure it will all be fine. I did have a oraquick HIV test done as well and it came back negative. So that really eased my mind(I always get worried no matter what the test is, waiting is torture!)

I do want to add if people have issues with ammonia(which most lymies do from what I understand) yucca root is awesome for that reason. I am only taking it for 2 days and I am getting a positive effect already with ammonia clearence. I think this is the main cause for my brainfog right now.
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