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Posted 7/1/2015 4:03 AM (GMT 0)
I realize that various brands of zappers will have varying degrees of quality. But let's say that I found one that is good, what are the chances of it doing much good for me?

I'm quite interested in this. I did a self Tarot card reading on it, Tarot reading is my primary hobby. The cards told me that I would have good success with even just a basic model of zapper, and that in a fairly short while, between that, detoxing and the herbal remedies I'm taking, that I'd feel like I was cured. But they also warned me to keep on taking the stuff anyway, because in my case it's going to take ten years to recover in full, and if I tough treatment out that long, it will be gone forever.

Even at ten years, it sounds like a dream come true to know that I could be cured one day. Though generally speaking I have found my cards to be accurate, they're far less so when anyone self reads as a rule. So I am asking those of you that know anything at all about zappers to tell me what you get out of them in terms of benefit.

What do you have to say? ;0)
Posted 7/1/2015 3:21 PM (GMT 0)
By "zapper" do you mean a rife machine? Or is this something else that I don't know about?
Posted 7/1/2015 4:45 PM (GMT 0)
I am not referring to a Rife machine, sarahm620; a zapper is another thing entirely. I don't know much about them but to differentiate them from Rife machines, where as a Rife machine emits certain frequencies that are assumed to kill certain parasites, a zapper works by emitting low level electrical currents.

I see that there are numerous claims that zappers work by issuing a positive offset frequency that supposedly kills parasites, and I see that some say that the aforementioned was the initial claim made by Dr. Hulda Clark, the zapper's creator. And it has also been said that her later research showed that this isn't how the zapper works at all. She later claimed that the zapper works by waking up the immune system and white blood cells in order to kill the parasites.

Note to anyone reading this: yes, I am aware that Dr. Hulda Clark is claimed by some to be a quack and a scammer, and I believe that as well. But could she have somehow made a discovery that actually works (for some) regardless of what she was up to?

I don't know a whole lot about zappers, as I said; but as I am, like so many with Lyme, unable to work, I care about every penny I spend. For that reason I asked (name would go here), who is considered a modern day expert on first, orgonite, and secondarily, zappers, what I could truly expect from one, and he took the time to respond. Though I don't agree with everything he said, this is paraphrasing what he said to me in response to my asking if I could truly expect my Lyme related pathogens to be eliminated by using one:

"Lyme is the currently most popular catch-all misdiagnosis for those who are chronically unwell. Millions are chronically ill and zappers rarely cure them, frankly. The cure would be to restore the health of damaged vital organs; one would need to seek the help of a skilled natural physician to do that. Though you may find many naturopaths to be as incompetent as MDs, they're not killing anyone at least." Then he went on to recommend a low cost basic zapper sold by someone other than himself, as I had asked for a recommendation for one; but I omitted the reference because I'm new here and don't want to considered a spammer.

Then he went on to list the diseases that the zapper cures, and I am uncomfortable quoting him on that. But he did say that if you feel slightly worse than before you began for more than a day or so, you can be relatively sure that depleted organs are more likely the cause of your condition than living pathogens.
Posted 7/1/2015 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
From the little that I have actually read on this subject, the "zappers" that you are referring to won't be sufficient to kill this particular bacteria because the Lyme bacteria is very complex. I really don't know the ins and outs of it all, so I encourage you to do a lot more research on the technical side of it.

While many people like to think that Lyme is the latest catch all - those that are diagnosed by ILADS trained LLMD's are not getting misdiagnosed very often at all. As a matter of fact, there are many people that I talk to personally that have been misdiagnosed with all kinds of things instead of Lyme. Anyone that has actually had to walk this path in their life will agree - it's much, much more likely that you will be misdiagnosed with something else rather than get a Lyme diagnosis. Other opinions come from those that are on the outside looking in.

To take it one step further, those that are being misdiagnosed with Lyme are not seeing ILADS trained LLMD's - they are seeing those doctors that have appointed themselves as LLMD's.

You will find all kinds of people making claims about what can heal Lyme - but there are only a few that actually work. We have been discussing those protocols here for some time. Please feel free to use the search function on this site to help locate posts pertaining to whatever protocols you wish to find posts on. You will want to enter the word Lyme as your first search term to help keep most of your responses in the Lyme forum.

And keep asking questions!! That's the only way we have to learn about this stuff!!
Posted 7/1/2015 5:17 PM (GMT 0)

Traveler said...
From the little that I have actually read on this subject, the "zappers" that you are referring to won't be sufficient to kill this particular bacteria because the Lyme bacteria is very complex. I really don't know the ins and outs of it all, so I encourage you to do a lot more research on the technical side of it.

While many people like to think that Lyme is the latest catch all - those that are diagnosed by ILADS trained LLMD's are not getting misdiagnosed very often at all. As a matter of fact, there are many people that I talk to personally that have been misdiagnosed with all kinds of things instead of Lyme. Anyone that has actually had to walk this path in their life will agree - it's much, much more likely that you will be misdiagnosed with something else rather than get a Lyme diagnosis. Other opinions come from those that are on the outside looking in.

To take it one step further, those that are being misdiagnosed with Lyme are not seeing ILADS trained LLMD's - they are seeing those doctors that have appointed themselves as LLMD's.

You will find all kinds of people making claims about what can heal Lyme - but there are only a few that actually work. We have been discussing those protocols here for some time. Please feel free to use the search function on this site to help locate posts pertaining to whatever protocols you wish to find posts on. You will want to enter the word Lyme as your first search term to help keep most of your responses in the Lyme forum.

And keep asking questions!! That's the only way we have to learn about this stuff!!

I am not 100% sure what you are saying, Traveler... I tried to look this up and failed to find what I was looking for, am I not allowed to ask this as it has been discussed before?

And I also wanted to point out that I said I didn't agree with all that the person I quoted had said. I know better than anyone that Lyme is not the commonmost diagnosis, as in an estimated 30 years of having it and looking desperately everywhere, not once was it even suggested to me as a possibility. Even today it hasn't yet been suggested, the diagnosis for my condition is my own, based upon the fact that I had the erythema migrans rash.
Posted 7/1/2015 6:05 PM (GMT 0)
LOL! I didn't mean that YOU agreed with it - only pointing this out for anyone else that is following this conversation.

And you can ask any serious question here!! I did a search for you for Zappers and here are the results to help you get started:
goo.gl/G4CQBw
Posted 7/1/2015 6:09 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for clarifying, Traveler, I appreciate that, and the links.
Posted 7/1/2015 6:12 PM (GMT 0)
So sorry I was more clear the first time!! :-) I hope that information helps!!
Posted 7/1/2015 6:57 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Oulie,

I actually sort of rely on something similar to guide my treatment too. Not Tarot exactly in my case but I do think its worth paying attention to these things. There are so many potential treatments out there and a lot could be blind alleys.

I would suggest that you check out the Spooky2. It's the most advanced Rife machine on the market today and it probably costs less than a basic Zapper. Most of the logic is in a free software program which is how it is so affordable.

I just got one and so am not an expert on these machines in general but can say that it is definitely effective in killing Lyme (I know a herx, been in treatment for 3.5 years) and has really improved some of my symptoms in only a matter of weeks.

From what I understand Zappers are basically just primitive hardwired circuits that rely on direct contact to deliver a preprogrammed current with 30kHz frequency. Comparing it to the Spooky2 is sort of like comparing the old effects pedals for an electric guitar vs. a software package like ProTools or Ableton that are used in music studios today. Hope that analogy helps.
www.spooky2.com/
Posted 7/1/2015 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
I'm still not really understanding the difference between a rife and a zapper, but I do know that many people have success with rife, so I would recommend looking into that.
Posted 7/1/2015 10:20 PM (GMT 0)
Good explanation, Project!!
Posted 7/2/2015 3:05 AM (GMT 0)
Unfortunately though, the Rife machines are out of my price range. Project mentioned one that's free, well the software anyway, but just the accessories for that one come to $145 before shipping, lol... or that's what I get from reading over their pages quickly anyway, so I must try the zapper out of necessity.

To be clearer on the difference between Rife and zappers (but only from what I've read, because I know nothing of these things but that), from my understanding, zappers are (said to) pulse electrical currents that kill pathogens, whereas Rife machines are supposedly designed to create an energy frequency in the body that is destructive to pathogens, sounds different, but the way they sell these things, might well be the same deal in the end, lol. But I doubt that.

Whoa, my mistake, the machine that one must buy to accompany the free software and accessories is $323.14 USD before shipping! I'll have to try the zapper out of necessity, that's too much for me.
Posted 7/2/2015 5:39 AM (GMT 0)
The spooky2 team essentially releases the software free and then has contracted with a manufacturer to produce a frequency generator at cost which is a necessary to get the signal out of your computer and into you. The original generator they produced goes for $60 and the newer one is $110. That part is essential but the rest of the kit can be skipped, you just need to make a couple of handheld contacts. For something you're planning to use for 10 years I think the cost is pretty low, esp. considering most hardware based rife machines are around $2000.

You can configure the spooky2 to act as a zapper if you really want:
treatments-for-cancer.com/make-hulda-clark-zapper-with-spooky2/
I was trying to communicate this with my earlier analogy, modern music software can easily perform the same function as a hardware circuit-based guitar effects pedal, and do a lot more besides.
Posted 7/2/2015 5:48 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks, project, I am interested in trying it, but am just not sure of exactly what I need, of course on the most basic of levels, to keep the cost down. It's a bit daunting to think that I may order it and not have enough parts or whatever. However, project, if you are willing to tell me what the bare basics would be, that would be appreciated!
Posted 7/2/2015 9:50 AM (GMT 0)
My brain is a puddle today, but when I can get back into sentence mode I can give you a proper rundown on the differences.

For now - zapper = pulsed dc current (ie you fry the bugs)

Rife machine = ac frequencies (ie you resonate/shake the bugs to death)

Rife = better you can use different ac frequencies.

You can just buy a frequency genetator (from a radioshack type store) and make some hand held contacts and use it in the same way as a 'rife' - thus much cheaper.

Sorry, this info is so limited today. I will be back when my brain works.
Posted 7/2/2015 3:50 PM (GMT 0)

silly sheep said...


You can just buy a frequency genetator (from a radioshack type store) and make some hand held contacts and use it in the same way as a 'rife' - thus much cheaper.

Sorry, this info is so limited today. I will be back when my brain works.

Though I am aware that the knowledgeable can create their own rife system, I see a need for an 'output' module, and I am not sure if that means an amp, or if it means amp, speakers and more, or what it means. But lol, logic tells me that if I need an amp I need speakers; but I mean what all would I need? Without knowing I don't want to get involved.
Posted 7/2/2015 3:52 PM (GMT 0)
Got it sheep, thanks for putting it in my terms! Ha!
Posted 7/5/2015 10:47 AM (GMT 0)
Lol, sarah, science folks do love to make science sound complicated, I think I explain stuff better when my own brain can't work it out ;)

Oulie- you basically need a frequency generator and something to hold onto so that tbe frequency passes into your body. That's the short version.

The spooky2 - you input the frequencies into you computer (via tbe free software package) which is connected to the frequency generator (the little box thingy) and you plug the contacts that you hold into the generator. That's all you need to start with basically.

With a stand alone frequency generator (a radioshack type affair) you just put tbe frequencies into that and fashion yourself some contacts.

Many of the smaller (cheapet) rife machines do the same as tbe spooky2, just without needing the computer to imput tbe frequencies as you put tbem straight into the machine.

Ideally you want a machine that uses carrier ir radio frequencies to 'carry' the correct frequencies into you, as lower frequencies do not pass into the body as easily. The spooky2 uses carrier waves I believe.

You can create a more powerful machine by incorporation an amp, but its not necessary, especially if you are a) using a contact machine, and b) trying to keep down the cost.

Hmmm, brain working better today. Any questions? Ask away while the going is good :)
Posted 7/5/2015 2:32 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks, silly sheep, I appreciate your response. Though in the next day or so I may come up with a question or two, right now I have something pressing on my mind that I can't think through. So give me a while to know if I have questions for you or not.
Posted 7/5/2015 11:14 PM (GMT 0)
I am thankful for your question Oulie.
I have a friend that has Chronic Lyme, diagnosed a year'ish ago and was going to go the long term antibiotic route but she could not get her gut healthy enough to take the antibiotics, with the amazing gift if brain fog that Lyme provides she felt like she needed a nutritionist because she had to learn how to eat differently and couldn't get it together, looking for a nutritionist she found a homeopathic chiropractor and I have told her story on this forum. Anyways she has been only using Rife treatments for 4 months and supplements only to repair the damage that Lyme has caused her body and has gone from bed bound to now working out again, mowing the lawn and just last week drive 4 hours to her sister to help her cater a several day long 4th of July party. I being very curious about Rife treatments was ready to sell anything to purchase one and after some safe advice(Thank you Trav) on this forum suggested I use one prior to shelling out the money.
I did in fact use the friends last Wednesday, I ran the Lyme program for somewhere around 70 minutes and the detox for apprx 40 minutes. Her machine the Pro Wave 101 used the sticky pads on the bottoms of my feet. Friend told me she has bands that can go around wrists or ankles and she would run the wires down the back of her pant legs and connect to the bands around her ankles, carry the machine in a big sling purse and clean house after she was more up and around.
I immediately didn't have any change in feeling, went to a different friends for about an hour, I felt like a wilted flower in the hot sun, then went to grab something to eat and drove my 80 miles home. During the drive I played "I spy" with my daughter on our drive and we sang to the radio part of the home. I know that this sounds trivial to mints but this is who I am, playing games and singing all the time, I have not done these things in a really long time, got home and felt good instead exhausted after the 80 miles drive and it was 9pm by this time.
Finally took my detox bath and slept good the next morning my husband woke me up at 6:15, I got up and he left for work and I was tired, crawled back in bed and actually slept till 8am. I got up and got some work(business stuff)done, I was clear headed and just kept working till noon, felt like a wilted flower again. I was exhausted on Friday and then felt better for the most part yesterday. I believe the Rife treatments will work for me.

I tell this whole long story to say listen to you instincts and guidance on your treatment which you have been so I commend you but I urge do it in a way that is affordable for you, is there Rife machine or Zapper you can try out unless you have already and I missed that.
I seek my guidance differently then you...months ago prior to test and treatment I prayed and prayed,that God would give me an answer and HE did. I also believe HE puts people in my life for very specific reasons, so many here and for the friend reaching out to me to tell me her experience with Rife treatments. The way you seek guidance has brought us to the same place and I appreciate you.

I also have some questions about the Components if I choose to go the spooky2 route. I like the fact that on the one the friend has she can put the pads I guess like Tens pads on my feet or elsewhere on my body and have the options of the bands, can someone explain to me if this is an option, I have researched and I don't find these with other models or I am missing something which is highly possible with my brain fog setting again today.

Thank you for all the help

Iheartx
Posted 7/6/2015 2:13 AM (GMT 0)
And I forgot to add, I was curious to know the difference between a Zapper and Rife.

Thank you for that clarification!

Iheartx
Posted 7/6/2015 9:46 AM (GMT 0)
The hand held Electrodes that are usually used are just what they say, you just hold them. There are also straps (that are a velcro affair and have a contact 'button' that touches your skin. You are advised only to put the straps on your palms or soles.

The model I have comes with straps, I llike these as I can strick them on and lie down, I don't have to hold on to something. I have recently purchased a mat that I can attach to the machine, you just lie on it rather than having to attach it.

As far as I know the spooky2 has the hand held electrodes although there is some mention of a plasma mode I have not read anything about this yet.

I hope that helps?? Shout if it doesn't: )
Posted 7/6/2015 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the kind and informative words, Iheartx.

Sorry, but I can't find words to say anything more significant today, tired, exhausted.
Posted 7/6/2015 5:18 PM (GMT 0)
You can get the adhesive contact pads / cable for spooky2:
www.spooky2-mall.com/index.php/spooky-tens-pad.html
www.spooky2-mall.com/index.php/spooky-tens-cable.html

They also come in the starter kit which is what I ended up going with. So far I've only used the handheld contacts though:
www.spooky2-mall.com/index.php/spooky-tube-327.html

So all you really need is one or both of the above, plus the generator, this is the newer version:

www.spooky2-mall.com/index.php/spooky2-5m-5-mhz-generator-319.html

And a computer of course. I may be biased (I'm a software engineer), but I think the fact that spooky2 is software based is really a game changer. All the complexity is moved to the software which you can then download free and have a more general purpose hardware component that's simpler and cheaper for the level of functionality. It's a trend that's happening in all sorts of areas, dedicated hardware network switches are being replaced by software and commodity servers, hardware point of sale systems are being replaced by software + iphones/ipads, the examples are endless.

Post Edited (project) : 7/6/2015 11:38:51 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/6/2015 6:31 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you project, your information leads me to the next question of is the spooky2 compatible with apple products? iPad or MacBook Pro? The only non apple product we have is my sons tablet.

Have you had good results with using the spooky2?


Iheartx
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