Pirouette - advice?

For you, yes, probiotics and diet and some anti fungal remedies might just be enough. Again, I think you're an anomaly but that's a good thing.

If you don't exhibit any sx (like the ones you mention, and don't have any sugary cravings) then I'd say your body might just be more tolerant of low good bacteria and resistant to imbalance. Many of us are just the opposite—we're just "ripe" for imbalance.

For safe measure, I'd make sure you're getting at least 200 billion probiotics a day and keep a very low sugar, low simple carb/glycemic diet for as long as you're on abx. And I'd also make sure you rotate various antifungals like raw garlic, coconut oil, grapefruit seed extract, and something like xylitol to keep everything in check. Can't hurt. Or, you can just use the powder as your anti fungal.

NO, there is no harm in taking the pure nystatin powder. It is naturally derived from the earth and as long as you take it at low "maintenance" doses, you're good. If you had a clear imbalance, maintenance doses wouldn't do much good for you). But it is expensive unless you can get it covered by insurance. For maintenance doses, it would be about $60 for 2 months or more.

CRAZY coincidence… but when I was at my compounding pharmacist's office getting some powder for my mom's thrush, the pharmacist said that while he was in school, he could look through windows across into the lab of the building right across from him and watch the two women researchers who discovered this anti fungal and created "Nystatin" — which was named after "New York State". How ironic is that? I think that's why he carries it and so many don't, he knew of it from long, long ago.

Hope this helps!

-p

Sounds like you're talking about carb cravings, which in your case I'd treat like sugar cravings. The yeast are hanging out somewhere in your gut and need the simple carbs, which quite frankly, are just like sugar because of how fast they convert to sugar.

If you're craving dark chocolate, it probably doesn't have a whole lot to do with sugar and it's a psychological thing and dark (bitter) chocolate is pretty darn good for you.

Also, even if you have a good diet and don't consume a lot of sugar, your gut flora can still get out of balance (because of the abx) and the yeast, not getting much sugar from your diet, adapts to other foods, particularly the simple carbs… Cravings are information.

Try eliminating ALL carbs except dark veggies for about a week and see what happens. If you have no response then it's probably not a big issue for you. But if you either go crazy w/ cravings or start feeling weird … then it's signifying that yeast is dying and you would probably benefit from some anti fungal approach.

-p

Okay, I will try that.

Thanks!

Oh - the chocolate I eat is 70% dark chocolate - there is sugar in it.

okay...I can try that. What I found when I started eating the 70% - is that the regular junky chocolate bars didn't taste good anymore...too sweet.

I have noticed recently that i get occassional abdominal pain sonetimes after I eat, sometimes not, but i have always put it up to a side effect of the abx i am on. I also have joint pain, muscle pain, and muscle twitching.

I take vsl #3 450 billion probiotic units everyday and also saccharomyces boulardii to protect my gut.

For detoxing i do oil pulling, detox baths, herbal teas, drink lots of water and lemon water.

Any suggestions on what more i could do would be greatly appreciated!

I dont seem to have any senstivities to food or cravings at all. Also i dont have brain fog or skin issues. The pain is only occassionally and it isnt so much cramping or gas as it is almost like a pinching feeling. Hard to explain!

The other significant symptom i have is weight loss but that may be because i have chnaged my diet completely.

I have been on the powder since i started abx 3 months ago. I know vsl is vert expensive so hopefully i can get this sorted out sooner than later because it causing me to go broke!

I dont scrap before brushing but i have beenen meaning to get a scraper

Doesnt appear to be swollen but maybe slightly

I had really dry mouth for awhile when i woke up, but that has gotten better over the last month or so. I just put it to mouth breathing while i sleep.

I do not have an papilliae damaged or missing on the top of my tounge. But i notice a few little bumps on either side of my tounge.

The whiteness seems fairly constant in some points but blotchy in others. and i have not been tested for bacterial infection in my tounge but i see my doctor next month and will ask him at that point.

I do not smoke

Thanks for you help with my questions!

So sorry—I missed your post. Glad you bumped.

OK—I still think this is yeast/fungal.

Try this protocol but do it exactly, don't skip any steps:

1. Brush your teeth—use ONLY an organic toothpaste w/ xylitol* twice a day (after breakfast in the AM and right before bedtime).

2. Do "oil pulling" —
purchase organic, unrefined sesame oil (not easy to find—I had to buy mine from Amazon.com) virgin organic unrefined coconut oil and sunflower oils will also work but they are not as effective and I forgot why—sorry! If you can, also purchase oil of oregano or another antimicrobial type of oil that has a taste you like.

3. Also, grab:
sea salt (the finer the grain, the better),
1 teaspoon,
1 Tablespoon,
a tongue scraper,
2 small cups/glasses
paper towel
and a plastic zip baggie.

4. Place 2 Tbsp of the oil into one cup and add a couple drops of the oil of oregano. Slowly pour this into your mouth—don't swallow. And if it's too much spit a little out back into the glass (but never pour oils down the drain) and start w/ 1 Tbsp next time.

Slowly and relaxed, swish the oil around in your mouth—try to "pull" the oil through and around your teeth. The concept is that the oil, moving around and through the spaces between the teeth and around and under the gum line "pulls" bacteria, yeast, toxins and gunk out, which sticks to the oil. Gently swish the oil around until it looks kind of white and a milky consistence. Don't swish too long after it hits this stage or you run the risk of the gunk returning to the surfaces of your mouth.

When you first start oil pulling, this could take 30 min. or more, which can make your muscles tired, so try to do it gently and also find alternative activities during this time (clean the bathroom sink, fold laundry, or better yet-- sit and meditate, don't lie down, you could choke on it). Eventually, the less gunk that is being pulled out, the less time it takes to turn to the milky stage—but always do the pulling for min. 15 minutes. DO NOT SWALLOW ANY OF THE OIL, as it is filled with the toxins and debris you're trying to rid your body of.

5. While you're swishing, fill the other cup w/ 1/4 c lukewarm water and 1 teaspoon of the salt, swirl and get it as dissolved as you can and place it aside with the tongue scraper.

6. When you're ready (oil has thinned and turned a milky white), spit it out into the baggie and zip it closed. DO NOT POUR ANY OIL DOWN THE DRAIN, which could clog it or coat it, which could cause unpleasant odors. You can either reuse the bag for a couple more pullings or toss it out.

7. After you've spit out the oil, take the tongue scraper, place the "sharp" edge of the scraper on your tongue and applying a little pressure, scrape down the middle of the tongue—starting in the back of the tongue (as far back as you can handle w/out gagging) and slowly pull it forward. Wipe off the oil on the paper towel. Do the same towards each side of the tongue and the edge of the tongue on each side. Repeat.

8. Drink 1/2 of the sal***er, swish it around in your mouth, gargle it for a few seconds and spit it out. While you're doing this clean off the tongue scraper w/ some organic soap so it's ready to use the next time (and run it through the dishwasher after every couple of uses). Spit out the sal***er and drink the rest of it, repeat. Don't swallow the sal***er.

9. After the pulling take a dose of the powder (I think I suggested you increase the dose.) Add the powder to the cup you used for the sal***er, fill with 1/4 cup or less and swish it around in your mouth for a good 5 minutes before you swallow it. And make sure that when you do this in the AM, you don't drink or eat for a good hour afterwards (best after breakfast), and that it's the last thing you do before bed so the nystatin has nothing to do all night long but kill yeast.

If none of this works, you could be dealing w/ a biofilm. I'm drinking cistus incanus tea for biofilm treatment—you might want to explore something for biofilms. But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it… Also, the doc can easily do a culture for the yeast or bacteria.

Let us know how this goes!

-p

Also is another good way to test for yeast to try diflucan and see if there is a reaction?

lol P. - I can't even think of a bad word that fits in there!!