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singssongs
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Joined : Jul 2015
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Posted 8/5/2015 9:29 PM (GMT 0)
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2 weeks into my first 6 weeks of antibiotics (doxycycline and flagyl) I started having some yeast issues. My tongue was white and icky, so I was prescribed nystatin oral suspension for 14 days. Helped, but didn't take it away totally. Also kept having yeast issues elsewhere. :/
Finished 6 weeks of antibiotics on July 26. LLMD prescribed diflucan and said to take 2 tablets for one day to see if that helped. I guess it did just a little. Started antibiotics again (doxy and ceftin) on Sunday and still taking 1 diflucan per day. I don't think it's doing anything - still having issues.
So...I noticed about
a week and a half ago a feeling in my throat like I have a hairball. It's annoying but not painful or anything but it's pretty constant. Sometimes when I eat it isn't as noticeable.
It seemed to get a bit better the day after I took the 2 initial diflucan pills, but came right back and is still there. Could this be candida in my throat? I can't see any white stuff or fur in the back of my throat or anything. I'm wondering if I should see an Ear nose throat doctor? Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
I'm really concerned about
candida getting out of control. How do you know if it's getting to that point?
I take Klaire labs ther-biotic complete probiotic, but I read in another thread I should take them at night 2-3 hours after my last antibiotic. I've been taking them in the afternoon.
Also, I'm going to call my LLMD tomorrow to ask about
the pure nystatin powder. Just read a thread about
that that was given to me in another post a few days ago.
Girlie
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Posted 8/5/2015 10:48 PM (GMT 0)
I haven't been treating Candida - but if I remember correctly, you need to treat longer than 14 days with the nystatin if you have active Candida.
I can't say if the lump is from the Candida....as I had the sensation of a lump in my throat - one of my earliest symptoms that came with LD....had it checked out...nothing there...and over time, with treatment it has gotten better - I would say completely gone...except now and then...usually with a herx, it comes back for a day or two.
I did see an ENT - had the tube with camera down my nose to look at my esophagus, vocal chords, etc...and nothing wrong.
Did a barium swallow x-ray, as well - nothing showed up.
I think it's a good idea to get the pure nystatin powder...and read through the thread.
Traveler
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Joined : May 2007
Posts : 36573
Posted 8/5/2015 10:59 PM (GMT 0)
Here is the search that I did not too long ago for posts from Pirouette about
yeast/fungal issues. She has a lot of really good information that she posted about
these conditions.
goo.gl/6wKzoK
singssongs
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Posted 8/6/2015 12:05 AM (GMT 0)
Ok, thanks. Lots of good info in that link from what I've read so far.
The hairball in the throat thing seems like it could be other stuff, too from what I've read. Hard to know... I will probably get it checked out, though, just to be on the safe side.
Yay...another doctor appt! :/
afiya4health
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Joined : Nov 2013
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Posted 8/6/2015 1:06 AM (GMT 0)
singssongs:
Are you eating a low carb, low dairy, low sugar diet? You must do this while on antibiotics even if u are taking anti fungals and probiotics.
And make sure the probiotics are refrigerated. You can find good ones (in the millions) on Amazon.
singssongs
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Posted 8/6/2015 11:16 AM (GMT 0)
Hi afiya4health,
Yes...I was dealing with small intestine bacterial overgrowth prior to being bit by the tick, so luckily I was already used to eating low sugar, low dairy, low carb and gluten free. I'm wondering if I need to completely eliminate fruit. :/ I eat some low glycemic fruit now. Usually 1 or 2 servings a day.
The probiotics I take are refrigerated, so I think I'm good there. But I was reading S. Boullardi can be helpful in crowding out the yeast. Anybody know if that can help candida?
Pirouette
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Joined : Mar 2014
Posts : 6235
Posted 8/10/2015 3:09 AM (GMT 0)
Hi singssongs
You already had good feedback but thought I'd chime in:
First, I get so frustrated w/ MDs who prescribe abx and make NO mention of how to protect your gut. With your 1st dose of abx you should also be taking very high doses of probiotics (at least 200billion) of fresh and live (refrigerated) mulstistrained high quality (I like Garden of Life).
And it seems your MD doesn't get how the yeast work... I'm sure he/she's a great MD but perhaps you can help educate about
y/f overgrowth.
First, the reason you didn't have a whole lot of success w/ the Nystatin USP is because it is likely a very diluted version of Nystatin and full of fillers, which likely include sugar, if you were taking it for oral y/f overgrowth. the oral Nystatin was developed for kids so they put sugar in it to make it taste better. So, why MDs prescribe it is beyond me. But most MDs learn about
drugs from the pharmaceutical reps... you think they're going to share info about
pure Nystatin (which used to be prescribed before big pharma started running the show and manufacturing much weaker and more expensive stuff).
Anyway, the systemic antifungal (Diflucan) won't work either, if all you take is one dose! You're still on the abx so one does isn't going to make much impact. Once a y/f overgrowth takes hold, you will need to treat it aggressively as long as you're on the abx. And since you've started abx rather recently, you'll probably do well on the local antifungal (Nystatin), which addresses the issue where it starts, in your gut! the systemic antifungals (Diflucan) work eventually, but unless you have had a y/f issue for a long time or you know you have a systemic problem, you can make a huge impact just by controlling the y/f in your GI. And I strongly recommend the pure powder.
Regarding the lump in your throat... it could be other things, as mentioned by other posters but it's a very common issue w/ y/f overgrowth in the gut, which eventually grows up the esophagus and into your mouth. For me, it affected my entire head: ears, eyes, mouth, nose, SINUSES!!! It was miserable. And that's why the pure Nystatin powder is so great because you add your dose to a little water and you swish it around your mouth and swallow it and it hits all the yeast and kills on contact. You don't get anywhere near this effect w/ a pill that stays in your stomach.
And yes... it is a good idea to take the probiotic 2 or 3 hrs after your abx. I like taking it right before bed to give your GI ALL night long to flourish!
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singssongs
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Posted 8/11/2015 12:35 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks so much, Pirouette!
So...update is that the lump/hairball in the throat has gone away, thank goodness! I am still taking diflucan 1x per day. I called my dr. about
the nystatin powder and she was not willing to prescribe that now....she said to finish the 30 days of diflucan and then we will see how things are. :/ So, that's frustrating... I also started taking cat's claw last week. Still have some yeast overgrowth on the tongue and in the nether regions, but it's getting better very slowly...
Here's a new issue that's come up...I am suddenly SUPER constipated....could that be the cat's claw? I read it can cause constipation in some people. I'm taking magnesium citrate at night, which usually helps me go, but it is not working! Not good! Any suggestions on what could help with that? I'm thinking of stopping the cat's claw to see if that gets things moving again.
What garden of life probiotic do you use? I was just looking at those yesterday and wasn't sure which would be best...there were a few varieties available.
Thanks for any input!!
Traveler
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Posted 8/11/2015 12:51 AM (GMT 0)
You can up the amount of probiotics that you take, increase your magnesium (magnesium oxide actually helps to pull water into the bowels), and be sure that you are drinking plenty of water to help your constipation. Life long sufferer here!
Pirouette
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Posted 8/11/2015 5:12 AM (GMT 0)
Well, perhaps try again w/ your MD. Approach it this way and see if it makes a difference:
Lay out the context for treating y/f overgrowth…this is key:
as long as you're on abx, you'll have to be on an anti fungal.
So issue #1:
trying to knock out future y/f overgrowth w/ one course or one month of Diflucan isn't going to cut it. Y/f is growing because an imbalance has already occurred. It's too late to rely on probiotics (for most people). So, this means you're going need to be on either the systemic (Diflucan) or a local (Nystatin powder) LONG term…
So, let her know you've weighed those options:
Diflucan is a systemic anti fungal that is intended to leech though your mucosal intestinal lining and into the blood stream, which means your liver has to filter it…
Issue #2:
Adding another toxic load to your already overburdened liver (if you're in lyme tx). Due to its systemic functionality, if she's not testing your liver enzymes every few weeks while you're on Diflucan, she should be. Most people end up w/ high enzymes after taking the systemics. High enzymes can be addressed w/ milk thistle seed and burdock root.
Issue #3:
Added costs: expense of Diflucan long term, additional blood tests, additional liver support and these are expensive herbs.
Bringing up the impact on the liver will help articulate to her that you have done your homework and know what you're talking about
. And, what YOU take for YOUR condition is ultimately YOUR decision. It's YOUR body... Perhaps make it an economic argument. She’ll have a hard time explaining why she’s expecting you to take a much more expensive approach to an obvious solution because she doesn’t want to spend the time to educate herself.
Issue #4:
And then share that the Nystatin powder not only coats every surface of your mouth and throat but your entire alimentary canal, all throughout your intestines and all the way to the rectal area.
Gently ask her why she wants to wait that long to "see what happens" when it's almost guaranteed the safer, cheaper, more effective powder will work immediately on contact with a couple swishes of the powder in your mouth…
that’s where your white tongue is. Pills cannot do that, and you're taking a very long route to get to your problem areas tongue and nether regions and what does reach the problem areas is diluted (because the blood system carries a small amt of the antifungal to all the different parts of your body).
Issue #5:
Also, the powder is much much safer than the systemic. It's natural and is derived from the earth. And why impact your liver adversely if you don't have to?
She's got it backwards (but most MDs do). It just doesn't add up. You CAN politely demand that she write the powder script
. Or, simply share that you'll have someone else write the script
.
I'll totally understand if you don't want to push her but she would do well to learn about
the powder. Not just for you but her other patients. But more importantly, this is a good opportunity for you to help her see you as a partner in YOUR health, not just a patient. You need the trust in her and this will make you feel in control.
Anyway, good luck and let us know how things evolve one way or another!
p
Pirouette
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Joined : Mar 2014
Posts : 6235
Posted 8/11/2015 5:19 AM (GMT 0)
I am still in search of good literature people can share w/ MDs but here is a good excerpt from Yeast Connection:
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nystatin%20
powder&f=false
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