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Posted 10/5/2015 1:16 AM (GMT 0)
Hi there. I am on Zhang HH now and can't tell if herxing. Have been on about 3 weeks so far and suddenly feeling weird in the head, hip pain, muscle cramps etc...This has been on and off for a few days, ramping up today.

I am detoxing as much as I can.

But can't tell if herx or progression. What do you think? Did you try houttuynia and if so, how did it go? There's debate about whether one herxes w Bart. What do you say?

I am interested in hearing anyone's experience on Zhang protocol, as well.

I have been seeing him and also a LLMD in CT since Jan.

Thanks for any info and sending healing thoughts to all.
Posted 10/5/2015 1:42 AM (GMT 0)
3 wks. after starting or increasing a herb is the common start of the herxing window which runs 3-6 wks.

I vote herx.

I got up to the recommended 30 drops BID Houttuynia as part of Cowden and can't say I noticed any bart-specific symptoms.....if anything, I had babesa-like symptoms (things were clear as mud back then because Cowden had me taking the Babesia and Bartonella herbs at the same time).

Back in mid-July, I started transitioning to Buhner's Lyme and Babesia protocols and decided to take Houttuynia as well. Since I'm taking sooo many herbs, I'm only up to 8 drops each of the antimicrobials and that includes Houttuynia. I don't dare take more due to the synergistic nature of the herbs.

I had some shin and forearm pain today for the first time ever. The arches and heels of my feet ache. However, I stood on porcelain tile baking 5 doz cookies and some bar cookies on Friday night....I was standing on my concrete basement floor doing crafts for several hours yesterday and I cooked a big breakfast for the family on the porcelain tile this morning...followed by a 1/4 mile walk on asphalt. Those things by themselves could make my feet/shins ache before I got bit by a tick. The painting could be responsible for the forearm pain.

I hate wondering if I have Bart lol

It's said that the nature of Bart is such that people shouldn't herx with treatment. Yet people report it all the time. Buhner speculates that some other infection is hit during Bart treatment and that's what causes the herx.

Dealing with Lyme and Co's makes me wish I was a TeleTubby....and the screen would let me know what's going on inside my body lol
Posted 10/5/2015 1:53 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for that! I think those floors may be at least part of the culprit. I just got a memory foam mat for my kitchen from bed and bath. It helps!

It's always the million dollar question, isn't it...herx or symptoms.

Thanks again for the reply. I hope you feel much better ASAP. ❤️
Posted 10/5/2015 2:01 AM (GMT 0)
Welcome to our community, Danashol!

You might be interested in reading through the "New to Lyme...Start Here! " thread at the top of the page. It's full of good information. You might pick up a few more detoxing suggestions there.

In Buhner's bartonella book, he states that we don't herx when treating bart. But, most of us seem to experience herxing while treating bart.

I agree - sounds like a herx to me.


I hope you find this forum to be a supportive, knowledgeable group of people...and keep coming back to read and post!
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