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Posted 10/11/2015 4:21 AM (GMT 0)
Hi there. I am so scared. I am having a new and sudden episode of shortness of breath. I am on Houttuynia and allicin (both are Zhang) for Bartonella and am on a break from abx. I had episodes of this 3 times since getting Lyme in July 2014. The worst was a herx I had in Jan a month into starting aggressive tx w abx. It lasted 10 tortuous days and I had a bad echocardiogram with a low ejection fraction. It resolved after herx was over.
I am very scared and don't know how to get this to stop. I am drinking lemon water and taking Zhang's AI3 for herx etc.

Has anyone else had this symptom? Is it from infection or herx, do you think? Have you tried houttuynia and herxes on it??

How can I get it to calm down. I am going mad.
Posted 10/11/2015 7:04 AM (GMT 0)
Have you stopped the Hout? If your herxes are that severe, you need to resolve them. You don't want to repeat what happened in January.
I think you should also stop the allicin.

You also need to focus on detox. What else are you doing?

Are you taking a binder?
Epsom salt baths?
Dry brushing?

When you start the Hout and allicin again, start one - low and wait several days before you add the other one - again low dose.

How much Hout were you taking?

Sorry you're suffering - keep telling yourself it will pass.
Posted 10/11/2015 11:41 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you. It is better this morn. I did take bath last night.

ND told me to take activated charcoal but I have not yet tried it and didn't think of it last night. Have you ever taken that? How was it?

If not, what binder do you prefer and what can I expect it to feel like? I am always nervous for new drugs/ supps.

Thanks again. Really appreciate it.
Posted 10/11/2015 12:16 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry to hear about that scary herx!

I agree with Girlie: stop treatment until you can get the herx under control and then re-start one thing at a low dose, etc.

I take activated charcoal almost every night and regret not starting it sooner. Binders require 2-3 hr spacing before/after meds, supplements and food...otherwise, they absorb these things.

Truly, what all are you doing for detox? An effective detox protocol can make a world of a difference.
Posted 10/11/2015 6:00 PM (GMT 0)
I also take Activated charcoal.
Posted 10/12/2015 1:18 AM (GMT 0)
Is the activated charcoal purely a clensing thing? I haven't been under treatment for years, but I'm beginning to think that what I consider old age issues is my Lyme friends raising their ugly heads again. Aside from Lyme treatment with 6 weeks of meds 25 years ago (and a couple of 3 week hits since for perceived additional bite symptoms) I was only treated for Babesiosis about 15 years ago because it took that long to finally get someone to consider there were other issues back then.

So I'm just starting to look at doing some herbal type stuff since my symptoms are not all that severe. I guess I'll do some more reading here, but the charcoal reference caught my attention.
Posted 10/12/2015 3:42 AM (GMT 0)
The Activated charcoal is a detoxing method.

The toxins attach to the charcoal particles and exit via the bowels.

You need to take it two hours away from food, supplements, antibiotics and other meds.
Posted 10/12/2015 3:46 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Goingjag - welcome to our community! I realized after I posted in this thread that you are new here!

Although you're not new to Lyme disease, you are new to our community, and I'd like to suggest you take a look at the thread titled: "New to Lyme?...Start Here!" (at the top of the page).

It's full of good information - symptom lists, info on probiotics, detoxing suggestions, and much more!
Posted 10/12/2015 1:18 PM (GMT 0)

Goingjag said...
Is the activated charcoal purely a clensing thing? I haven't been under treatment for years, but I'm beginning to think that what I consider old age issues is my Lyme friends raising their ugly heads again. Aside from Lyme treatment with 6 weeks of meds 25 years ago (and a couple of 3 week hits since for perceived additional bite symptoms) I was only treated for Babesiosis about 15 years ago because it took that long to finally get someone to consider there were other issues back then.

So I'm just starting to look at doing some herbal type stuff since my symptoms are not all that severe. I guess I'll do some more reading here, but the charcoal reference caught my attention.

Detoxing now will make a difference in your symptoms as well, Goingjag. I was infected for 40 years before getting a diagnosis and finding effective treatments, but detoxing was a massive part of that! As these bacteria die off, either by use of abx or abx herb or naturally, they put off toxins that stay trapped in our soft tissues that will increase our symptoms. So we really must help our bodies move those toxins out.

Please do keep asking questions!!
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