Buhner's Newest Babesia Protocol Needed

Hi, please post Buhner's newest (2015) Babesia Protocol.

Thank you

Please heed rowingmom's advice....it will prevent a lot of unnecessary herxing.

For whatever it's worth, I've been titrating Buhner's Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia protocols as of mid-July.

I'm up to full doses of the Lyme protocol (3 herbs) and am still titrating the Babesia and Bartonella protocols. So far, I'm up to 8 drops each and am already experiencing improvements.

Slow and steady wins the race.

And, even though Salvia miltiorrhiza replaces Red Root (which is relatively benign), the Salvia M. has antimicrobial properties and can cause a herx. I'm up to 9 drops on that one ;)

Although not necessarily a part of the babesia protocol, I would start Japanese knotweed first. It is very anti-inflammatory, as well as being somewhat antimicrobial, and will help with inflammation issues you may be having. It will also help with any herb-induced herxing.

Kudzu is also a great anti-inflammatory, especially for brain inflammation.

Next I would add the other supportive herbs (numbers 5-10 on Mike's list). It's best to have the support going before you start killing bacteria and have to deal with die-off toxins. The ginseng's will support immune response and may cause a die-off themselves. Milk thistle will support the liver and detoxification.

If you are having issues with viruses, please omit l-arginine. We have never used it for the reason that I don't know if viruses are a problem for us.

Only after all this is going would I introduce the top 4 herbs which are very antimicrobial.

Don't forget to use a good multistrain probiotic daily as well as fermented vegetables, kefir and the like daily as well.

Rowingmom- can you explain why you would omit l-arginine as part of the protocol and it's role w/ viruses? I was just curious because I just started taking it. Buhner states that there are studies that have found that simply supplementing the body w/ L-arginine will reduce or even eliminate babesial infection from the body.

Sniogra said...
Rowingmom- can you explain why you would omit l-arginine as part of the protocol and it's role w/ viruses? I was just curious because I just started taking it. Buhner states that there are studies that have found that simply supplementing the body w/ L-arginine will reduce or even eliminate babesial infection from the body.

I omitted it from our treatment because both of K's regressions came with her MMR vaccinations and I couldn't rule out the possibility that the measles (live attenuated) virus was somehow involved in her downturn.

Others here have also had negative results with reactivation of various viruses using l-arginine.

I didn't mean that you should automatically omit l-arginine from the protocol, just to be careful and watch for symptoms of viral reactivation if you decide to use it.

Google around, but l-arginine is often used as an antibacterial amino acid, while l-lysine is used as an antiviral one.

Yes, I have found L-Lysine works as an anti- viral.
I am also NOT able to take l- arginine or eat foods rich in arginine or else I become a viral magnet.
Every time.
I was seeing Buhner's cohort for a while. She was wonderful.

You are right, herbals are as strong, if not stronger than rx's.
You must proceed with caution.
I always need to remember that.

For instance, I started Schisandra tincture today & started with 5-10 drops. I'll stay at this dose until I no longer have the benefits, then re-evaluate from there.

My experience w/ Schizandra so far:
Wow! I became very aware, quick-thinking, body was able to move around with more energy & gusto.
What a great addition to my current protocol.

I am still moving up slowly on Artemisia (Sweet Annie tinc from Woodland Essence).
At 4 drops 3x daily.
Will increase to 5 drops next week.

Great information from everyone! Thank you very much!

Post Edited (Usedtogarden) : 10/16/2015 9:12:24 AM (GMT-6)

Rikky1 said...
i'm seeing my LLMD tomorrow and regardless of what he recommends i'm going to see if i can supplement with a few of the buhner herbs. i'm most particularly interested in trying cryptolepis, sida acuta, Salvia miltiorrhiza and Ashwagandha. i haven't tried any of these in the past. right now the only herbs i'm on is A-BAB.

I think this is a good idea.

Once again, please heed rowingmom's advice and start each herb s-l-o-w-l-y.

For whatever it's worth, I started transitioning from Cowden to Buhner's Lyme, Babesia and Bartonella protocols back in mid-July.

Since I thought Lyme was my dominant infection, I worked to get to maximum doses of the Lyme herbs and was able to do that without much fanfare.

I'm still titrating the Babesia and Bartonella herbs and am only up to 8 drops TID each with the exception of Salvia miltiorrhiza - I'm up to 10 drops TID with that one. I just tried for the 2nd or 3rd time to increase Cryptolepis to 9 drops and the herxing was unacceptable for me (flu-like feelings/general malaise).

Even though I still have a ways to go with dosing, I've already experienced improvements. Slow and steady really wins the race.

Unfortunately, when we start a new herb and increase another one, it's really hard to know what's what.

Being that Schisandra Berry is supportive, I'd be inclined to blame the Artemisinin...

But, if the Schisandra Berry is helping to rev up a slow immune system, that, too, could be to blame.

I started the herbals all with 1 drop each back in mid-July and slowly increased as herxing would allow.

I was up to 10 drops each of the salvia milt this week but had to back down once again to 8 drops.

Yes, I'm also taking red root...1/4 tsp TID The supportive herbs haven't been problematic for me and I titrated those rather quickly.

I am having trouble increasing past 8 drops each of the antimicrobials and, due to the herxing I've had last night/today, I didn't even take my 3PM doses.

I increased my detox but am still having trouble shaking the flu-y symptoms. I hope I can resume 8 drops each tonight.

I'm amazed at the doses you've tolerated so quickly Usedtogarden...

Then again, I was never treated for Babesia nor Bartonella except for doxy so I'm thinking my bacterial load is "up there" for those two infections.

Your history is mind-boggling to me and I'm so very happy for your improvements!!! Yes, it seems like we'll be treating forever....and this is incredulous to me since I started abx the day after I pulled the nymph deer tick out of my abdomen.

Not surprisingly, my care was mismanaged. 20/20 Hindsight is telling me I should have been taking Japanese Knotweed along with my abx - I told my LLMD as such. I also think my LLMD should have at least had me do an herbal protocol for both babs and bart since both infections are quite prevalent in my area. I think a good part of the problem was that my symptoms were mild and my herxes were always symptoms that overlapped among the infections. Still....

salvia milt has antimicrobial properties and that's why I started with only one drop. I hope to get up to Buhner's recommended doses for all the herbs. It's paramount that I remain functional since I run my own business and care for 2 very young grandchildren twice/week. 'm a bit bummed today because the herx I'm dealing with right now is one of the worst I've ever had...I cancelled my time with my grandson tomorrow because I doubt I'd be able to lug him around in his car seat (he's a big 5 months old)

I've been taking 1/4 tsp TID of Red Root for quite some time now and didn't herx on it.

As I mentioned, I was never really treated for Babs or Bart so, if I do indeed have either/both of these infections, it makes sense that increasing the doses would take time.

I know Babesia are much larger than Lyme bacteria and that's why Babs herxes are worse.

I've only done a few rounds of artemisinin and credit it for some of my improvements. I won't be doing my pulse this weekend because I have a big social event on Sunday and a really big work obligation on Monday. I need to get my current herx tamed down some.

It sucks lol

Hey mike or anyone who knows what's the new babeisa book called I was just in his website and didn't see it