Help me interpret my InfectoLab results

Hello everyone!

This is my first post here, but I have been reading this forum for a while. And I would like to start off by saying that I am absolutely amazed by this community and the people here that give such in-depth answers and have so much knowledge and kindness and take their time to help and answer so many questions.

So.. .. I have tried writing this post with my whole story for more than a week, but It just gets too long and complicated and I end up deleting most of it. And In the end I don't think It matters as much how I got here but where to go from here. But in short my last 4 years have not been fun to say the least, and I have been to numerous doctors and tried basicly everything.

about 6 months ago I started reading about lyme and thought I was on to something, I have had two (Elisa tests I think they're called) done. Both showed anti-borrelia igG Positive, and IgM negative. But my doctor drew the conclusion that it was not an active infection. But I'm pretty sure she is absolutely clueless about lyme disease and started researching this more and more and thought it really likely that I have lyme.

I also remembered being to the doctor about the time my problems started for a red growing circle on my stomach where the skin also fell off and I had for some reason thought it was Impetigo, but it was probably from a tick.. And nothing was done (GOOD doctors sweden..)

I then decided to order a test from InfectoLab in Germany since it seemed the best alternative in Europe as far as i found.

And now I got back my test results from InfectoLab and would like your help interpreting it. I thought they would give a bit more of an explanation to the results. I hope It's okay to link pictures .

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Only real question, do I have Lyme disease? Since only some of the values are above reference range, and this confuses me:
"The negative or borderline result of both, IL-2 and Interferon-gamma production in the Elispot test method indicates the absence of a response on the cellular level."

What does that even mean?

And also regarding :"CD-57 positive NK-Cells absolute: -49"

Is that not a clear indicator of lyme? I did not find ANYONE that had a negative value whan i googled it.

Thanks in advance :)

Hi MartinG!
Welcome to our community! I'm so very glad that you chose to join us!!! We really like our little place here too!!

So from what I see on your test results, I agree with Girlie about the Lyme disease and the Mycoplasma, and I would add in the Chlamydia pneumonia, that may need attention.

So I would encourage you to either find a LLMD in your area, or start with an herbal protocol that you can do at home.

If you would send me an email, I have one LLMD listing for Germany, hopefully it will be of use to you!!! Just click on the blue envelop under my screen name or on my screen name to send me an email.

Thank you for your answers Girlie and Traveler!

Yeah I don't know why I'm doubting the test results, guess I just didn't find them clear enough with some not being postive and some of the wording they used, and want to be 100% sure before getting my hopes up that this might finaly be the answer to all my problems! But It seems like there is no doubt so I'm very happy.

Cause having Lyme is the BEST news I have gotten the last few years, as not knowing what is wrong with me has been driving me crazy and I know most of the people here can relate to that.

And yes I have read most of the "New to Lyme" thread and quite a bit on www.lyme-symptoms.com and some other sites (which I should probably have written, but my head is a mess..) and it's A LOT of information to digest.

I was thinking of Buhner or cowdens protocol, but then I read of CHIM FLOUX AVIVA.

You can't really find much information on it other than www.lyme-symptoms.com/LymeDiseaseInfo/Examples.of.eradicators.html and
www.lyme-symptoms.com/LymeDiseaseInfo/aboutCHIM-FLUOX.html

I sounds too good to be true and too simple, and the website looks really poor, but I thought what's the worst that can happen? So I have actually already started taking it according to the instruction, starting FLOUX first which is supposed to detox and release toxins, but I'm very skeptical and this was just something I thought I might try first since it is supposed to target any infection and so on..I have never had a herx before so im not sure how it feels, but I'm pretty sure I have atleast felt something, like being very hot and red on the skin around my neck. And more ringing in the ears.

I think I will try it for 2 months atleast and after that probably try some of the herbal protocols.
I am also going to a new doctor this week (a GP) and in a about a month to someone at the infection clinic in Uppsala. Hopefully someone of them has knowledge of lyme and will not dismiss my test results from infectolab, but I'm not to positive since my experience with regular doctors here in sweden is not good to say the least.. And in any case, IF they according to their tests (or my test result) think that I have lyme, they will probably want to put me on a too short dose of antibiots, and I'm pretty sure I don't want that. I don't even know if I want to use antibiotics at all.

I also did a hair mineral analysis a while ago and am still eating the vitamin supplements from that. (I am really deficient in a lot of stuff, for example: zink, magnesium and manganease (and have too much copper). And that seems to be common for people with lyme.

Worth mentioning is that I have been eating pretty clean for the last two years with mostly fish, beef and vegetables and maybe some rice, potatoes, quinoa and so on(since i am basicly intolerant to everything else at this point..)

And I do detoxing juices a few times a week and drink lemon water every day almost.

I am also thinking of doing detox baths with Epsom salts and peroxide. But I havn't found anywhere to buy peroxide atleast not here in Sweden. Is it good enough to drybrush and use the Epsom salts?

So this ended up a very messy post, and I feel like I don't really have a clear plan of action, but I will try CHIM FLOUX AVIVA for a while and try to add in some detoxing. I would like to hear your opinions on CHIM FLOUX AVIVA and the herbal protocols!

Oh and by the way, unfortunately a LLMD in Germany is probably a bit too far away, you don't know if there are any in Sweden? I guess not since I havn't been able to find any.

I don't know if you'd be able to travel to Norway or not...but I found this on the internet:

www.lymenet.org/SupportGroups/Europe/Norwegian.shtml


If you contact them, they may be able to tell you what options you have in Sweden...

The 3% is the one I use, and I think what most people are using. It's not food grade, but we are bathing in it, not drinking it.

Yes the food grade hydrogen peroxide is very strong...it will burn your skin on contact. (I used to have a bottle of it years ago)

The epsom salt is good - but can you not purchase it locally? Are you going to have it mailed to you? The reason I ask - is it is quite heavy...and we use a lot in the baths...are you able to get it shipped without a hefty shipping bill?

I tried CHIM-FLUOX-AVIVA for a month (a package) and the first few days i felt like something happened, I got a bit red on my skin and felt a bit hot. And this was probably due to a vitamin C flush effect from the AVIVA drops which contains high vitamin C. But other than that i didnt notice anything.

And since there is basicly nothing to read about it and no studies or really anything to back it up, I can't help but feel it is a scam, but who knows, atleast the drops did something ^^. But I'm not gonna continue with something so uncertain. Since during the last month I have read and learned so much about different treatments and so on. So I can't help but feel really stupid for even trying it haha

I have now started with the Cowden protocol, which feels a bit more scientifically proven atleast.
I am on day 11 now and can't really say I've noticed anything yet, but since it is a slow ramp up with the dosage I guess it will come - hopefully. I am also starting with high vitamin B and got a new probiotic.

All this is while the struggle to find the "perfect" doctor continues... I found some decent places here in Europe but the one I want to go to practices in the US..
Here is a link to his clinic if it interests anyone ccfmed.com/

Ah, well thank you for the comforting words atleast.

Yeah I will give Cowdens a honest try for a few months. The only reason i chose it over Buhner was that it was pre-packaged and had a nice simple schedule with it.

After ordering from Nutramedix I recieved an email where they told me about a Nutramedix worhshop in copenhagen www.nutramedix.com/downloads/Flyers/CopenhagenWorkshopInfoFlyer.pdf
I'm definetly gonna try and go there. Would be perfect to learn more about the cowden protocol and hopefully even be able to talk to Cowden, Villy Lade or Marjo Valonen (she has a good clinic in Finland). Or atleast have some questions answered. The more knowledge the better :D

And also while doing the cowden protocol now I just started taking high vitamin b3 (both niacin and niacinamide) + some other vitamins, since I read about it from Klinghardt.

I also ordered a genetic test from 23andme, to check if i have MTHFR gene mutation, or something else that might be relevant.

Awesome-hearing that you've ordered the test for mthfr gene mutation as it was my experience of having severe symptom flare-up with treatment because of my inability of methylation. I wish I'd known about the gene mutation first and treated that 1st, to prepare my body for detoxing all the infections, because nothing I did to assist w/detoxification worked!

With that said, I hope & pray your mthfr is negative, because treating Lyme & Co' s is by far more challenging if one has the gene mutation-I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic!

Good luck & God bless!!!

MartinG did you try the CHIM and AVIVA parts of the CHIM FLUOX AVIVA or just the FLUOX and gave up?

I'm really looking forward to trying this out because Alfon Ven seems to know quite a bit in terms of energetic medicine.

Please let us know if you followed his complete protocol fully.

Thanks,
Dave