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Posted 11/15/2015 1:29 PM (GMT 0)
Hi again catts,

You asked "also it seems like more people have success going the natural route vs antibiotics but how do you kill the bacteria if you go the natural route?"

One of the botanicals I took years ago was Borrelogen and Dr. Jernigan did a study in 1997 where he had a group of people take Borrelogen instead of antibiotics for 3 days which was sent to IgeneX, you can read about it below:

In 1997, we had IGENEX perform labs on our patients. Instead of having the patient take a round of antibiotics, we had them take Borrelogen™ and collected their urine for 3 days. At that time, for the test they used, a high positive was 45.

The data we collected showed the body was dumping the dead Borrelia Burgdorferi at a count of 150 as an average, and we had some people who had a count of 450.

We also noticed that we always needed Virogen™ with this formula, so we included Virogen™ in the formula to also address the viruses associated with Lyme, so the doctors did not have to buy 2 bottles. (But as we learned, Lyme attracts all kinds of bacteria, viruses and mycoplasms, etc…so the line of products also expanded).

jernigannutraceuticals.com/Borrelogen_long_new.html

Denise
Posted 11/15/2015 3:12 PM (GMT 0)
The 23 and me kit is now $199 instead of $100. Still worth it, but I think they hiked the price once the FDA cleared them for reporting some health conditions.

if i recall properly, you said you were 19 and can walk 25 minutes on a treadmill. Wow. I really wish I could do that.

One of the things not mentioned so far is that with this disease you have to learn to manage your energy. it's decisions like "should i take a shower, because the shower takes up so much energy. or should i wait and use that energy for something else." When you are in school its always the something else. it's a hard thing to learn but i did it out of necessity.

You mentioned a scholarship. what are the terms? can you cut the number of credits down to the minimum and still keep it? that way you have less to worry about. It can be done. I was pregnant with my second child half way through my masters (and an infant for the other half) plus a full time job. This with full symptoms (and Lyme had already had 20 yrs to multiply in my system).

figure out what is important and what can be let go. My Christmas tree has been up for 3 years now. LOL. The UPS guy once said to me "oh, you're the Christmas tree people.P as a matter of fact its been up so long some of the lights have burnt out. LOL. At the time it should have been taken down, I did not have the energy to do it. It was use my energy to take it down or spend the energy on my kids. Kids win hands down.

about the negative tests for the co-infections. I have had two tests from different labs come back negative for Bartonella and Babesia, but if you go by symptoms I definitely have them. So many of tests run are not sensitive enough so a Negative result doesnt mean anything. Negative only means the test couldnt detect what it was testing for. It does not mean you dont have it. Only a positive test is definitive.

Hang in there. You've come to the right place. Listen to the moderators and the veterans, they have a wealth of knowledge few docttors do. you can beat this.

Kim
Posted 11/15/2015 4:05 PM (GMT 0)

catts123 said...
I take the charcoal three hours after at night and three hours before in the morning. My doctor said that is enough time so I don't know really..

Girlie already confirmed this, but I'd like to say that this is good as well. I used activated charcoal throughout my whole treatment (both times), so if it really did pull the abx and herbs out of our system, I surely wouldn't have healed as quickly as I did. And it's value in helping to remove the toxins is tremendous.


catts123 said...
also it seems like more people have success going the natural route vs antibiotics but how do you kill the bacteria if you go the natural route?

Herbs were used long before abx. It was herbs that all abx came from for a very long time. It's critical to know which herbs to use, but they can be highly effective. I am an abx failure. I used abx for a full year and only got more ill. It wasn't until I started using herbs, learned how to detox my body well, and how to keep my body functioning at a high level that I started to improve. 2.5 years later, I'm healed from 40 year old infections with Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, RMSF, Anaplasmosis, Ehrlichia, and others.

While I realize herbs aren't for everyone, adding herbs in for your treatment and help in dealing with your symptoms will help keep you more comfortable and more functional during your treatments. There's a reason why back in 2007 when I started no one anywhere was using herbs at all (well, except Deejavu :-)), and now most members here use them, and a large percentage of others on other Lyme forums use herbs as well.
Posted 11/15/2015 4:08 PM (GMT 0)
The others have seem to got you covered, responding to your questions. Not that my word on it would be of much help anyway.

Really, I just came here to say, please, whatever you do, stick around this forum, learn what you can, utilize the help of the willing hearts and minds here.

You said yourself, you haven't been sick long. You can do it, if you go about it the right way. You can have a good future, unimpeded by this crap.

I want that for you, stranger.
Posted 11/15/2015 4:11 PM (GMT 0)
Don't forget, Antonio - we all need you here too. You know enough to help other figure this out. Others can relate to your story, and the way you have struggled. You're input here is important as well.
Posted 11/15/2015 4:28 PM (GMT 0)
~<3
Posted 11/15/2015 4:36 PM (GMT 0)
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Posted 11/15/2015 6:59 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, Antonio - please stick around. You have experience - that's what we need here~

..and I like reading your posts.
Posted 11/15/2015 7:22 PM (GMT 0)
I was bed ridden for a year and unable to work. I spent over a year with various doctors and nothing changed, and some treatments made me worse.

Someone suggested I might have Lyme. So I went to Dr F in Chapel Hill. After a 2 hour exam it was determined that I have Lyme and Babs. The blood tests never confirmed it. But all of my symptoms lined up. Dr F started treatment. This was July 2014. By January 2015 I felt better than I had in years!!! So much so I returned to work. Well my Dr didn't approve of my return to work. And I'm very hard headed. So I took the job and by the 1st of April I was entirely rolled back. Now I'm struggling to get back up. I'm getting better, but it's slow.

Yes the treatment works. You need the right Dr and the right treatment. Everyone is unique.
Posted 11/16/2015 12:26 AM (GMT 0)
What worked for me personally for healing the brain stuff was- stopping the antibitoics ( I hear they work well for some but did not work for me!).
Going on Dr Jernigan's protocol ( borellogen and anti tox)
Some of the brain problems is caused by ammonia in the brain which the lyme causes. The anti tox formula can help rid the body of ammonia. Good luck to you. And the borellogen formula can help with the lyme treatment in general.
Posted 11/16/2015 1:26 AM (GMT 0)
I was just recently diagnosed with Lyme Disease and know practically nothing about it. However I do know that it's transmitted sexually and can be passed to our children through us, oh and insurance doesn't cover it from what I've read??.. This really worries me..I have an appointment to get my husband tested on the 8th of December, however no one can tell me where to have my son tested locally? I live in Visalia Ca.. I myself have an appointment with a specialist on the 22nd of December in Redwood City,Ca. I'm looking for any advise on Lyme disease in General, people's personal experience with medications, whether its common for people to pass it along to family members and if so how it affects our little ones (my son is almost 4), and what questions to ask physicians to find out if they really 'know' what they're doing? I have a lot of questions, I'm sorry, but any advise at all would be greatly appriciated. Thank you!

confused
Posted 11/16/2015 1:38 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Routha ~ I just wanted to let you know that we are posting in your other thread. :-)
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