Overcoming Chronic Lyme w/ Ozonotherapies

Hi Andrea,
Welcome to our community.
While we welcome you sharing your experience here, we don't allow others to bash treatments that are considered effective for these infections - oral abx or oral herbs and a few other means of treating these infections.

Personally I used herbs to heal a 40 yr old set of infections - so you simply can't state that they don't work. There are several of us that have healed using those methods.

And honestly, if all it took as 3 weeks to heal with ozone therapy for most people with these infections - we would have been hearing about it long before this. If that's all it took you, Wonderful!! Congratulations! But to assume that even long standing chronic infections can be wiped out with just a few sessions in a few weeks is not realistic at all.

You actually sound more like an advertisement for the doctor you were trying to promote -which I would encourage you to review the rules that you agreed to by joining this site before posting again. Saying you aren't advertising, while advertising doesn't help. No advertising, please.

Hi Sarah, how are you?
I suppose it depends on the administration. It is true that not all facilities offer the right combination of ozone therapies for overcoming the Lyme infection. However, there are some facilities that do. The combinations are a factor to consider when choosing to get ozone therapies that work effectively. Argentyn 23 silver in combination with ozone administered intravenously can help to wipe out all infections and is especially effective for chronic Lyme symptoms as well as and all syndromes of toxemia.

As far as your comment about it being expensive, I disagree. It was not expensive for me.

I was sick for 20 years and the amount of money I spent in the 20 years on supplements and various other therapies to survive cost way more than what I spend in 6 weeks on medical ozone therapies.

And as far as your comment about this by no means being simple, I disagree. It was simple for me. It doesnt have to be complicated. That is what I am wanting to share for those suffering.

much love to you Sarah, thank you

I have been curious about ozone treatments for a while. Can you elaborate further on why you feel you have killed the invasion and are now only needing to rebuild? How long has it been since you have stopped the ozone treatments?

Sarah, things are changing all the time. I have complicated infections too. Im on your side. Testing evaluation and application were mandatory before ozone therapies were even considered were I went to get treatments. Everyone had different conditions at first but everyone walked away feeling a hundred times better. You may want to so more research in this area concerning ozonotherapies. Treatments for me were at $125 per session at the medical facility were I went in Florida. I wish you had found a better facility for offering ozone. $250 sounds like someone is trying to take advantage of a good thing. much love to you

Andrea Alexandria said...
Hi Traveler, how are you? Thank you for the introduction.

It may be hard to believe but it only took a few weeks of ozonotherapies for me to finally feel like I was out of the seriously ill category. My bowel shut down with bells palsy of the large intestine where the Lyme infection had paralyzed my bowels.

While I was in the IV room I met many other young people that were in wheelchairs. I witnessed that after two or three weeks of the IV therapies that some of them would get up and walk to the bathroom. This was incredible for me to witness as well.

I also saw many older people whose bodies were completely paralyzed from lyme. They appeared to improve after 4 weeks of IVs and naturally will take longer than a few weeks to recover and probably will never fully recover the damage done. This post is from my perspective and from where I was sitting in this particular alternative medical facility.

The main reason why more people dont know about ozone therapies is because they havent been available legally in the US until recently. The American Academy of Ozonotherapies was formed a few years ago and has made it possible for medical doctors to practice ozone therapies under them legally. The FDA is working with several of these physicians to gather information in order for the larger insurance companies to cover more people.

Again, this post is from my perspective which means supplementation did not work for me. This is not to imply that they did not work for you. There is no reason to feel threatened by my intentions. I only mean well and want to offer a solution for those that may feel drawn to my personal experiences and to investigate further into these wonderful treatment options that have worked for me and are available today.

Thank you again for the introduction. Ill be sure to watch mentioning names.

Be well,
Andrea

First of all, like Sarah, I'm very happy that you have found your healing - but you stated that it was just ozone, now you are adding in that you used silver as well.

Secondly, have you read my story? There's a link in my sig line if you should wish to. I was infected for 40 years, my bowels used to shut down regularly for up to 22 days at a time, along with too many other symptoms to list. To assume that you were more compromised than anyone else in this community isn't a good thing.


And I'm not sure how you can say in one post:
"Taking things orally for immune support, detoxification support, hormone balancing, preventive anti-fungal regimens, digestive support, dietary changes, nutritional supplements, herbal medicines, homeopathics, natural antimicrobials and prescription antibiotics to treat Lyme is expensive and ineffective." Especially when you are posting in a forum where there are members for which those things really did work.

Then in another post, same thread:
"Again, this post is from my perspective which means supplementation did not work for me. This is not to imply that they did not work for you."

And feel threatened? Nope, I sure don't, but I am a Mod here and it is my place to watch what people are posting - and I do.

As I've stated, I would actually like someone that has used Ozone to come in and tell us how things went, but not if their story isn't consistent and they are telling other people that their treatments won't work, only ozone will work. Not only is that against the rules here, it's very rude and it's wrong to assume that only one type of treatment will work for everyone.

Every protocol has claims of watching people get up out of wheel chairs and miracle cures - heck I'm one. 40 yr old infections and I healed in 2 years of herbal only treatments. So I'm not saying that it can't happen, what I'm saying is your information isn't consistent and there are things you aren't revealing (saying that you used only ozone, then later saying that you used silver as well).

And again - you need to go back and read the rules that you agreed to abide by when you joined this forum:

3. No posts that attack, insult, flame, defame, or abuse others. Respect other members' opinions regarding treatment decisions. Decisions about health and well-being are highly personal choices. We should respect all points of view. Flaming will not be tolerated.

4. No advertising or links to advertising or "Spam" is permitted.

Advertising or spam is defined as posting a link for the purpose of selling, soliciting or promoting something.
Links promoting fundraising, advocacy, etc. are not permitted.
Links to personal blogs/homepages are allowed in member profiles and signatures
Sharing of links to helpful and relevant web sites and resources is allowed if they are not used for a promotional purpose.

**I added the underlining above.

We welcome you, but you must follow the rules here, just like everyone else.

Interesting topic that raises some important points for consideration. On a personal level, I had a friend ask me about this treatment.

When addressing effects on the body it is important to consider efficacy for different organs or compartments. A substance introduced into the blood may not penetrate the blood-brain barrier or into low blood flow tissues such as cartilage and ligaments. Whether or not ozonated compounds can penetrate these tissues and be effective is unknown. That is one potential problem of treating a quantity of blood and putting back into the body. Similar types of treatments tend to make sensational headlines as in the recent story of a $100,000 blood cleansing treatment for Lyme in one woman in Germany.

Another concept that needs some tweaking is that of organ failure. If an individual has 1 failing organ they are in failing health, 2 or more organs in failure mode and they are going to be orbiting the drain. When talking about health conditions such as Lyme it is more accurate to state that there is depressed organ function. This is an important concept since recovery from Lyme requires a rebound in immune system function. I have seen some of my CBC lab values go up and down, and skirt with the borderline.

As a result, the reasons that some treatments work for some and not for others is largely unknown when it comes to early and late-stage Lyme. No one can answer definitively what is occurring. That is why IDSA and ILADS are at war. There is probably a grain of truth in many positions. At this point it needs to be investigated further. That is why the MyLymeData website has been established. The truth is out there and someone just needs to crunch the numbers.

Kott

funny you posted this when i inquired about ozone iv a few days ago - but nobody responded.

thanks for your input mpost and kott. based on what you guys have said, i think i will pass on the idea!!

andrea, please do be careful, as traveler and mr mike have said. They are just protecting all of us - some topics do come up that are argumentive, but they are just asking you to tone it down a bit and be more "suggestive" than "instructive". And plus this forum is more for "sharing" our experiences rather than "testifying".

also, I am upset that you said that sarah's facility is trying to "take advantage of a good thing." First off, it is common knowledge that medical care would be cheaper in FL than in NY - everything is more expensive in NY!! but for those who live in NY - might as well spend the extra $100 on the treatment, it is cheaper than getting a plane ticket to go to FL and get the treatment!!

I go to the same Dr as sarah, and she is amazing. it is expensive, yes, but she is ILADS trained and I don't know where I would be without her.

Thank you for the feedback Kott. I made some adjustments in the post and hope it sounds better.

Hi mpostelnicu, there are over 2000 publications on ozone therapies. The Germans have been using medical ozone for 65 years now. The FDA has suppressed medical ozone from being used in the USA up until 2013. The American Academy of Ozonotherapy was formed and now doctors are choosing to offer ozone in their practices more and more.

I was invited to the AAOT conference last year by a physician friend of mine. I was the only one attending the conference that wasn't a doctor. I had so much fun listening to these professionals presenting their results, data, slides etc. to each other about their patients success after using these therapies. These were grown men running around like they were in college. Well known cardiologist, endocrinologist, surgeons and orthomolecular physicians in their communities excited to share with each other. One powerful speaker was a cardiologist from Germany

Dr. Rowan (youtube) goes into what he calls Oxidative therapies. He administers both hydrogen peroxide and uses Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation.

It is though that the UBI causes an increase in hydrogen peroxide in the body.

Another video is Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation as an antibiotic. They show the process and explain how/why this kills infections.

Like other's I just couldn't afford the therapies. I checked out a clinic in Mexico and they wanted $150 per treatment with 15 treatments. So I built my own equipment.

Sorry for the spelling, but I am a licensed engineer, not and English major!

Andrea Alexandria

I agreed with a lot of what you said, and disagreed with other things. First I agree that many of us implement "supplement overload". when approaching treatment. At one point my daughter was on about 70 different nutritional supplements and herbs, and this didn't include the ABX that she was taking! We spent a fortune. When we took her to the Hansa Center, Dr. J. tested her to see whether her body actually needed each item. Testing revealed that she only needed a few of the items.

I also heartily agree that ozone therapy is a very powerful tool that is available. The vast majority of physicians are totally ignorant as to the usefulness of ozone therapy. Perhaps someday the science will catch up to the reality of what a few physicians are achieving with ozone. Until then there will always be forum members voicing their uninformed disagreement with it. That's natural, and you should not be surprised.

My daughter was treated with transdermal ozone as well as many other substances and treatments. There is no such thing as a "monotherapy" for this illness, unless perhaps the case is very simple. Complex cases require a much more complex and informed treatment approach. IDSA attempts to dupe the public into thinking that doxycycline monotherapy is a panacea for this illness. Obviously they err. Likewise, We all need to be careful in not overstating the effectiveness of ANY monotherapy.

As Claude783 has already mentioned Dr. Rowan, here are a few links that I posted in a thread that I initiated in July. Whether or not ozone is directly bacterialstatic for all pathogens- I do not know. but I do know that its benefit go far beyond that activity, according to the information in these links.


https://www.bulletproofexec.com/dr-robert-rowen-treating-ebola-ozone-therapy-168/

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/10/14/dr-rowen-oxidative-medicine.aspx


Andrea Alexandria, I appreciate your zeal and desire to help. I have learned that it is important to be very careful in how we state the presentations of our thoughts. I wish you the best as well!!!

Don

Hi Heathersdad

Thank you for taking the time to reply to the post. Im very happy to learn that your daughter has benefited from bio-oxidated therapies.

I appreciate you giving me the heads up of what to expect when introducing new ideas on the forum boards....lol.

Im not sure where you thought I was promoting a monotherapy though. Im confused about that one.
Ozonotherapies a.k.a bio-oxidative therapies use several different modalities that fall under that particular subject. Some examples would be ultra-violent blood irradiation, major auto hemotherapy, individual nutritional IVs such as Myers cocktail, etc.

Maybe it would be good to clarify that my doctor is a ER medical doctor turned naturopathist. It is mandatory for everyone to go through a 4 day testing and evaluation processes using innovative technology labs to access the complexities of each Lyme patient. Everyone is different and must be approached differently before starting with the IV therapy protocols.

I thought we werent allowed to mention names of doctors on this forum but since you mentioned Dr Rowan than I would like to mention Dr Minkoff as well. I hope it is okay.

Dr. Minkoff and Dr Rowan are colleagues. Many of these physicians including Dr Rowen have looked to Dr Minkoff for guidance with his discoveries using the Argentyn23/Ozone combination for an effective approach for lyme management.

The only reason why I mentioned it at all was because I think its revolutionary in its effectiveness with wiping out most infections and with "managing" Lyme in particular. I dont mean to say that it totally eradicates Lyme but it greatly helps with the management to reasonable degrees.


Dr Minkoff is in the process of becoming more active with Youtube as well. It may be a good idea to check into some of his presentations as well if you are curious.
Thanks again for the kind message though, I appreciate it!
Andrea

Okay, I see. Thank you Claude783